MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread
Background Pony #6E9F
@Background Pony #C82E
We’re not talking about generic dragons, or a generic dragon leader, we’re talking about Spike, he didn’t deserve to have a generic copies model.
Agreed. Here someone has made a very big mistake, this is not Spike from G4, he is not recognizable and the appearance… It’s like the abnormal birds and rabbits from the ANG movie, who was the person behind these disgusting designs? And why were these approved in the first place? At the time, it was a big surprise for us, who were used to lifelike animals in G4, where animals such as birds and small animals had a normal appearance to us. Although these are tolerated, it was obvious that many did not appreciate the strange design of the animals from ANG, which continued into MYM. The animals in TYT were far more pleasant to watch in comparison. Why ugly designs were chosen for the animals while the ponies were pleasant to look at has eluded me.
Why had Berrow chosen to continue this, and then transfer it to the dragons? They are reminiscent of reptilian horses especially by looking at their teeth, and are so pony-like that this is in violation of established traditions ever since G1 regarding dragons. The first Spike in G1 was bipedal. Even if there were dragons that walked on all fours, they usually had hands. All G4 dragons were bipedal or had hands with few exceptions. I think Berrow may have believed that this could be done because she saw what happened in the G4 episode “Secret of My Excess” from S2, when Spike had gone through several phases before becoming fifty feet tall - and in one of these the phases were his appearance minus the wings just like what we have seen.
Then it was possible to see that Spike, after robbing Pinkie, was walking on all fours and his hands had shrunk into a hoof-like foot. And just before that, he walked around with long arms with visible claws that stuck just like the G5 dragons, and walked on two or four legs. Then it means that Berrow approved the design for the G5 dragons - including Spike - because she believes this was determined by the G4 episode. She may have thought that a dragon will grow in several phases and may have believed that Spike’s appearance would not be controversial.
Wrong. Very wrong. She chose a common design for all the dragons and didn’t make an exception for Spike when she should, as he was supposed to be bigger by being older than the other dragons. We would have no problem seeing a large dragon, on two or four legs, if he resembles the large dragon we have seen from “Secret of My Excess” and the IDW comics. The fault was that this dragon was no different from others, if he was bigger and a bit more muscular with long claws and hands - we would have loved this Spike from G5. Instead, we are experiencing a real downturn. Last time, the fake Grogar turned out to be Discord.
And; Berrow had chosen an episode from S2 to justify the design on Spike. This sounds like a confirmation of the rumors that the G5 cannot use the G4 lore from S4 to S9. In S9, Spike had become a hunk - here we see a teenage-like dragon.
God see us in grace, if TYT is going to show Spike, make him bigger and tougher!!!
GoodVibesGorgeous 
Grumpy and antisocial
@Background Pony #B68A
It would be nice. But it probably will be a VA from Toronto to make stuff easier.
It would be nice. But it probably will be a VA from Toronto to make stuff easier.
Background Pony #D21D
@Dustcan
How? I mean, isn’t the deal about that rumour that they cannot say the names said in G4? That they have to change them? Why would that be okay? Why would be okay to put Spike if they have issues with copyrights? Unless it is not as people thought.
How? I mean, isn’t the deal about that rumour that they cannot say the names said in G4? That they have to change them? Why would that be okay? Why would be okay to put Spike if they have issues with copyrights? Unless it is not as people thought.
Background Pony #D21D
@WestRail642fan
I know that you are joking but since some people might take you seriously. No, Spike didn’t commit a coup against Ember.
I know that you are joking but since some people might take you seriously. No, Spike didn’t commit a coup against Ember.
GoodVibesGorgeous
Grumpy and antisocial
@Background Pony #D21D
Hasbro somehow managed to keep the rights for Spike’s name when the rights for all other G1 character names went to other companies. So… Who knows?
Hasbro somehow managed to keep the rights for Spike’s name when the rights for all other G1 character names went to other companies. So… Who knows?
Background Pony #D21D
@Background Pony #6E9F
G5 is a sequel. It is not a reboot, another universe nor another timeline. It is a sequel. Simple as that. G4 didn’t end up with a happily ever after. Twilight said there would always be darkness. Guess what? Darkness is still out there in G5.
G5 is a sequel. It is not a reboot, another universe nor another timeline. It is a sequel. Simple as that. G4 didn’t end up with a happily ever after. Twilight said there would always be darkness. Guess what? Darkness is still out there in G5.
Background Pony #D21D
@GoodVibesGorgeous
So explain all the other references and mentions. Celestia, Luna, Discord, Twilight.
So explain all the other references and mentions. Celestia, Luna, Discord, Twilight.
river mines
@Background Pony #D21D
Well, dragon lord is a very common title in stories in which dragons appear alongside dragon king or dragon emperor, I don’t think they would register that word and Spike is a character that has existed since g1
Well, dragon lord is a very common title in stories in which dragons appear alongside dragon king or dragon emperor, I don’t think they would register that word and Spike is a character that has existed since g1
Background Pony #6E9F
guess Spike commited a coup against Ember
Spike won the Gauntlet of Fire in S6, ep. 122 by grabbing the bloodstone scepter at the end of the race and technically becoming the Dragon Lord in line with the rules set by the previous Dragon Lord, Torch - Ember’s father. By commanding Garble, Spike had demonstrated that he is lord of the dragons, and when he handed the scepter to Ember it was only a formality. Ember knew that it was Spike who had won the competition and is the actual Dragon Lord, and her choices, such as by bringing the dragons and ponies close together, were inspired by Spike’s example. Ember was the Dragon Lord because Spike wanted it.
So if Spike were to demand the specter, Ember can’t refuse, although it depends on the circumstances. Since we have seen something reminiscent of the specter in the Wishing tree with the breezies in Bridlewood, it must mean that the two dragons may have developed dragon society so far, that a symbol of power to command obedience and submission of the proud and individual dragons did not was long needed.
We’ve seen the other dragons willingly accept Spike as their lord without protest, which could suggest that the old power system based on force and coercion that Torch and Ember had used may have been replaced by a new system based on mutual respect and ranking among the dragons. Then there will be no need for the bloodstone specter. And as a dragon lord, Spike can have a strong authority that the other dragons trust will not be abused against them.
This revelation with Spike in life and as a dragon lord in G5 I am very happy with - what I am VERY DISSATISFIED with is his appearance, which must be considered Berrow’s biggest mistake. We had expected a big and epic dragon that would bring awe to everyone including us. Not that. TVT, save us from this!
Background Pony #3798
G5 started production before season 9 so I see why they didn’t use Spike’s Last Problem appearance
river mines
@Background Pony #3798
It’s okay, they don’t use it, the problem is that this design is ugly (and the film was in production not MYM they had 3 years to have a better design)
It’s okay, they don’t use it, the problem is that this design is ugly (and the film was in production not MYM they had 3 years to have a better design)
Background Pony #5958
@Background Pony #D21D
Hasbro somehow managed to keep the rights for Spike’s name when the rights for all other G1 character names went to other companies. So… Who knows?
They don’t have the rights to G1? Haven’t they been doing all this anniversary merch with heavy G1 inclusion and characters? Seems like they own G1 properties if they’re doing all that right?
GoodVibesGorgeous
Grumpy and antisocial
@Background Pony #5958
FiM was supposed to have G1 characters (Twilight, Sparkler, Posey, Applejack, Surprise and Firefly) as protagonists (and Celestia was supposed to be Majesty), but Hasbro had to scrap it almost entirely due to losing rights for most of them (except Applejack and Spike). But they might have managed to get it back years after (or not, as G5 Posey is named “Posey Bloom” in the toyline).
FiM was supposed to have G1 characters (Twilight, Sparkler, Posey, Applejack, Surprise and Firefly) as protagonists (and Celestia was supposed to be Majesty), but Hasbro had to scrap it almost entirely due to losing rights for most of them (except Applejack and Spike). But they might have managed to get it back years after (or not, as G5 Posey is named “Posey Bloom” in the toyline).
Background Pony #5958
@Background Pony #5958
FiM was supposed to have G1 characters (Twilight, Sparkler, Posey, Applejack, Surprise and Firefly) as protagonists (and Celestia was supposed to be Majesty), but Hasbro had to scrap it almost entirely due to losing rights for most of them (except Applejack and Spike). But they might have managed to get it back years after (or not, as G5 Posey is named “Posey Bloom” in the toyline).
I thought Faust just used elements of her favorite G1 characters to make a “new generation” not because she explicitly couldn’t use g1 characters? I mean if that was the case regardless they wouldn’t be able to use the names, or Spike as a whole characters, I’d assume.
TheQuietMan 
End of an era
@GoodVibesGorgeous
Or she was murdered.
Or she was murdered.
@Background Pony #6E9F
Was the palette and head features not recognizable enough? If anything, people were hoping despite the blatant, obvious design choice that somehow that still isn’t Spike.
Was the palette and head features not recognizable enough? If anything, people were hoping despite the blatant, obvious design choice that somehow that still isn’t Spike.
@Background Pony #D21D
“When there’s light, there’s always shadow” - Sensei Wu
“When there’s light, there’s always shadow” - Sensei Wu
@Background Pony #5958
No she couldn’t, Faust said it herself.
No she couldn’t, Faust said it herself.
TheQuietMan
End of an era
@Shimmering Spectacle
Except it isn’t, his design is very blatant in recognizability. If anything, the unrecognisable award goes to g3 Spike
Except it isn’t, his design is very blatant in recognizability. If anything, the unrecognisable award goes to g3 Spike
Background Pony #13BA
Inb4 they pull off the ultimate troll
Background Pony #6E9F
@Background Pony #5958
FiM was supposed to have G1 characters (Twilight, Sparkler, Posey, Applejack, Surprise and Firefly) as protagonists (and Celestia was supposed to be Majesty), but Hasbro had to scrap it almost entirely due to losing rights for most of them (except Applejack and Spike). But they might have managed to get it back years after (or not, as G5 Posey is named “Posey Bloom” in the toyline).
Just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse, comes even worse news. Hasbro does not have the rights to most of the G1 characters. Although this was convenient for Faust to work on new characters and invent new lore through original thinking and reuse of background lore from G1, it may be why Berrow thought she could do the same with G5. But she doesn’t have Faust’s instincts and couldn’t handle the rumored restrictions surrounding the G4 lore.
It is obvious that Hasbro had not taken My Little Pony seriously in the time between G1 and G4, and this attitude has survived despite the great success G4 had become in the 2010s. Disney is famous for its fanatical rights protection - so notorious that other comics and cartoons indulge in this many times. Hasbro was more adept at protecting the rights from GI Joe and Transformers, so MLP was clearly a long way down until Faust began her work.
Now there are only a few days left before the final at MYM.
DerpyFast 
The fandom then: “Why are they giving so much attention to non-pony stuff? Also the back half of the show sucks!”
The fandom now: “Why aren’t they giving a bunch of attention to non-pony stuff? Also it sucks that they can’t reference the back half of the show!”
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