MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread

One thing that always bugged me about FiM is how the implications of a single species controlling The Sun never came up. I’ll be impressed if they work that into the backstory. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s where the whole “alicorn supremacy” idea comes from.

@DerpyFast  
I’m curious if ALL alicorns are supposed to be bad or just the ones in charge.

@DerpyFast
 
You mean like how Yak, Seapony, and Kirin astronomy would be completely fucked up because of either Celestia or Twilight goofing with the sun and moon?

@Brass Beau  
That’s speciesist.

@Ebalosus  
In about 10,000 years from now, galactic rotation would have messed up most of our constellations…

@Background Pony #3E41  
That’s why I’m curious. Kinda worried it will undermine the message the series is going for if they do that.

@DerpyFast  
Well, it wasn’t so relevant until we started poking our head outside Equestria, and by then the writers had started to forget the whole sun and moon thing a bit.

@Ebalosus  
I mean how they have control over The Sun  

@Brass Beau  
I don’t see all of them being evil; I can see most (or all) of them being well-intentioned extremists at worst. Or maybe they’ll be like the Diamonds are reeling from someone’s (Twilight’s maybe) death and unfortunately deal with that grief by making a series of really bad decisions.

Actually, I had a shower thought that I’m going to turn into a prediction.
 
The idea that Alicorns used to control the heavens themselves seems like a pretty credible motivation for the villains. Being inspired to change the world by the legends of Twilight and her friends seems like a credible motivation for the heroes. If this ends up being the case, that would mean that the antagonists and protagonists are linked by a common theme: the desire to return an idealized “Golden Age”.
 
This also has potential to be meta.

@DerpyFast  
maybe the sun was “decompled” from magic or something and became a wayward sun that rose above the noise and confusion, and any control it is an illusion.

@DerpyFast  
I myself was thinking how legacy could be a theme in G5 as well, and this idea of an idealized golden age fits rather well here.

@DerpyFast
 
In a more nit-picky series, the implications would be immense, but given that MLP is mainly drama-focused, it’s a case of “don’t think about it too hard.” Hell, the series has been very tight-lipped on the exact mechanics of Alicorns and magic, so things coming from either of them aren’t that well explained either.

Okay, bear with me here, sun is getting up here, so it might be hard to read what I’m saying, but:  
What if the sun was controlled by Celestia and Twilight specifically? What if this is some sort of magic that got lost? As is; they have far weaker control of it now then they had before. As far as we seen, there is no actual source of knowledge about sun/moon magic other then Celestia/Luna, and then Twilight. Seeing how this is a thing, I could see said control getting weaker and weaker over time, as knowledge that is shared orally tends to mutate hard. (Maybe particular alicorn is not fan of weather magic, studies about it less, then gives that ‘smaller’ knowledge to his heir, who in turn, whist being okay mage, is not so great to replace parts of magic that got lost, and so forth down the line, with it getting weaker and weaker.)  
We have definitely seen magic knowledge getting lost in the past, so this doesn’t sound like too much of a stretch for me.

@Background Pony #3E41  
CinemaSins fan, eh?  
I love them, too?

@DerpyFast  
So that makes you king
 
I had to…

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@Ebalosus  
That’s what I’m saying. What if the backstory of G5 does touch on the implications? Using control over the Sun for political leverage isn’t something Celestia would think to do, especially after Nightmare Moon. But it would only be a matter of time until someone with that power got the idea to leverage it.

@DerpyFast  
I do wonder how the sun and moon will be handled here, especially if magic really has been lost for a while.

@DerpyFast
 
Sure…but it would require a deft touch in order to keep it tonally consistent. One of my (retrospectively) big criticisms of the They should make FiM a more PG-rated show! is that it would change the foundational tone and feel of the show; and diving into the political implications of the leader of one nation having a nuclear option (essentially) that no other leader of any other nation has, not to mention said leader isn’t democratically elected, isn’t really something FiM was geared up to deal with.
 
If G5 does examine it and falls face-first while doing so, some of the blame would be laid at Faust’s feet, since she’s the one who came up with (or at least approved of) the whole princesses control celestial bodies thing. That would also confirm why it would make sense to make G5 it’s own thing instead of sticking to G4’s setting.

@Ebalosus  
I’m honestly a bit mixed on the situation.
 
On one hand, I like that’s a continuation and not a reset like the previous generations did. I always was more a fan of continuity.
 
On the other, I’m worried this might screw over the show that came before it. Unless they can explain that it wasn’t Twilight or Luster who screwed it up but like some desecendant who wasn’t sure how it works (like someone earlier mentioned), I’m nervous they might pull a Sequel Trilogy and have it be like “Nah, things fell apart the moment Luster tried to do friendship duties in The Last Problem”.
 
Has got me thinking though: Didn’t Legend of Korra also did this sort of thing as well? How come people were fine with that show despite a similar “years later” idea?

@Background Pony #4CC5  
To be fair, I don’t think any of Team Avatar’s efforts were undone, as most of the villainous plots were either self-contained in one place and got taken care of quickly enough before they became “permanent” problems so to speak.

@Background Pony #4CC5  
Korra dealt with new and different issues that resulted from changes in the world (I think - I’ve only seen the first season). Aang and co’s work of bringing the 100 years of war to an end held firm.

What if the sixth main character is the villain’s son? They wouldn’t show him now because it would be a huge spoiler.

@Background Pony #3112  
I don’t see how it would be a spoiler if we don’t know who the villain is at the moment, besides I don’t think it would be obvious.