MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread

DerpyFast
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Come to think of it, the magic disappearing if The Unity Crystals are separated for too long is a fail-safe in its own right.
The three races splitting up was always a possibility, even without the crystals. And really, if that happened, it would only be a matter of time before something noticed that much magic lying around, swooped in and stole it. The magic retreating into the crystals means that a weakened Equestria avoids attracting the unwanted attention of would-be magic thieves, and Twilight has dealt with a lot of those.
To recap:
  • The Crystals protect the magic while the tribes are united
  • They hide the magic from thieves if the tribes ever split up
  • They only release the magic if the three tribes willingly reunite
  • When the tribes reunite, they’re given an alicorn protector and leader
  • This leader is prevented from using her powers for evil
  • Not even Discord can destroy these things on his own
G5 doesn’t ruin the ending of G4; it shows how, thanks to Twilight’s planning and magic, Equestria was able to recover from a total collapse. Twilight played the long game and won.
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@DerpyFast
Did you forget the part where the entire pony civilization was destroyed and now they live in just 3 cities, with the special detail of unicorns going into depression due to the loss of cultural identity and pegasus being manipulated by royalty for perhaps generations
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That’s the problem, it’s not a failsafe plan
Firstly, this only works if the ponies have been in harmony, and in the G5 film the ponies have not only been isolated for at least a century,
As there was an Earth pony that almost committed genocide against the tribes, it was a very strong possibility that the ponies would destroy themselves before recovering their magic, mainly because the Pegasus and unicorns thought that the other tribes stole their magic.
The crystals needed to be physically together to function, so even if Discord wasn’t able to destroy them, it was still possible for someone to steal one of them, hide it or throw it at the bottom of the ocean and the magic was lost again.
Still about the crystals needing to be physically together, the ponies in G5 didn’t even know that these crystals existed, by pure luck the crystals were close to each other, instead of them being lost in an isolated place in ruins.
the lack of magic actually makes equestria even more vulnerable against invasions. Many kingdoms could see this as an opportunity to destroy and enslave ponies (which perhaps happened since equestria was reduced to 3 cities, the rest are ruins).
The very circumstances that led to the return of magic were pure luck, by pure luck Sunny believed in the union and by pure luck Izzy found that note and appeared in Maretime Bay, if Izzy had never appeared the magic would continue to disappear.
the crystals themselves don’t seem to be very democratic, just because some earth ponies in maretime bay complained about ponies from other tribes at the festival was enough for the magic to disappear, the climate to be altered and these things to open up a magic crater that would suck any pony in it. First things first, I don’t even want to know how the ponies in the other two cities must have felt about the magic disappearing again and hearing the news.
and Twilight didn’t even give a contingency plan in case opaline came back since she is the cause of the crystals’ appearance, all she did was say “there’s a crazy alicorn who wants to steal this magic and enslave you, so be careful”
So this was a plan full of flaws that had everything to go wrong, and If it really worked is something very debatable
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I was already partial towards Scootertrix’s style of humor because I loved his abridged series back in the day and his rap battles and G1 parodies are good too, but what I enjoyed just as much was the effort Makaryo put in to the 3D animation. We really need to get more G5 fanmade content like this.
@DerpyFast
Very true. I always knew I was going to have no regrets being a defender of Twilight’s creation of the Unity Crystals and labeling her supposed tyranny in making them as the #1 bunk criticism of G5.
Background Pony #6E9F
Come to think of it, the magic disappearing if The Unity Crystals are separated for too long is a fail-safe in its own right.
The three races splitting up was always a possibility, even without the crystals. And really, if that happened, it would only be a matter of time before something noticed that much magic lying around, swooped in and stole it. The magic retreating into the crystals means that a weakened Equestria avoids attracting the unwanted attention of would-be magic thieves, and Twilight has dealt with a lot of those.
To recap:
  • The Crystals protect the magic while the tribes are united
  • They hide the magic from thieves if the tribes ever split up
  • They only release the magic if the three tribes willingly reunite
  • When the tribes reunite, they’re given an alicorn protector and leader
  • This leader is prevented from using her powers for evil
  • Not even Discord can destroy these things on his own
G5 doesn’t ruin the ending of G4; it shows how, thanks to Twilight’s planning and magic, Equestria was able to recover from a total collapse. Twilight played the long game and won.
Yes, she won - but at what cost? It’s not enough to split the crystals to take away the magic, as long-term separation was needed for this fail-safe to work, and Spike knows this - we saw this in his reaction when he heard the ponies had lost their magic. It would not be surprising if he had reservations when the Unity Crystals were created. It is possible to distribute the crystals to each guardian who can ensure that the magic will continue by putting them together at least once every moon or when these are moved from guardian to guardian. That might explain the imprint in the lighthouse in the ANG movie, it’s possibly similar in Zephyr Heights and Bridlewood.
What went wrong was that the three guardians “forgot their purpose” as stated in the book from C3. “As time pass forward three guardians became distant and lost no longer able to remember their purpose”, these began to separate so that they each kept their own crystal. This makes sense to Zipp’s statement that the magic was lost just as she showed the side where the three guardians confronted each other. It was probably at this very moment that the crystals stopped working, and the magic disappeared. It gives credit to Sunny’s narration of how Equestria collapsed in C2, when the pony tribes “broke apart”. It might have happened because the magic was gone. But; how could the guardians - and the ponies - forget something so essential?
Don’t think it was exactly what Twilight had anticipated. The case of the Elder Flower in C4 and C6 suggests that memory manipulation may have taken place, causing Equestria to collapse.
Opaline couldn’t enter Equestria because she had a spell around her that prevented her, then a “bubble” that probably only worked against her, and maybe other threats, and finally the actual protection spell around the crystals - which probably never went away in absence on magic. She was locked out, with a “spider web” of many spells that make up different webs. This was weakened because the magic had been absent - so when it returned, it partly fell apart and “Equestria becomes open to the rest of the world”. Twilight had said this herself, and it was possibly not just meant towards Opaline.
If there was a worldwide empire under Twilight’s control back then, and if she had to protect it from Opaline who would steal magic from any source, it’s possible she could have created similar items for other races. The most important thing was to “starve out” Opaline because she - although she had lost her magic - was a serious threat with her ability to steal other people’s magic. The dragons sought refuge on the other side of an ocean, and it is possible that others may have fled away. The kirins will be particularly vulnerable to Opaline. The Crystal Ponies and Hippogriffs already have their own counterparts to Unity Crystals, which can protect them from Opaline. Sea ponies and breezies can hide by having a weak or small magical signature. Likewise with griffins. But the chimeric monsters may be vulnerable to the predator Opaline. Opaline could not leave the equestrian continent.
But then two things happened; the naturalization of the harmony trees/together trees that threw the world into isolation again like when Celestia ruled, and the amnesia among the ponies. Something else had happened without Opaline’s involvement.
Background Pony #6E9F
That’s the problem, it’s not a failsafe plan
Firstly, this only works if the ponies have been in harmony, and in the G5 film the ponies have not only been isolated for at least a century,
As there was an Earth pony that almost committed genocide against the tribes, it was a very strong possibility that the ponies would destroy themselves before recovering their magic, mainly because the Pegasus and unicorns thought that the other tribes stole their magic.
The crystals needed to be physically together to function, so even if Discord wasn’t able to destroy them, it was still possible for someone to steal one of them, hide it or throw it at the bottom of the ocean and the magic was lost again.
Still about the crystals needing to be physically together, the ponies in G5 didn’t even know that these crystals existed, by pure luck the crystals were close to each other, instead of them being lost in an isolated place in ruins.
the lack of magic actually makes equestria even more vulnerable against invasions. Many kingdoms could see this as an opportunity to destroy and enslave ponies (which perhaps happened since equestria was reduced to 3 cities, the rest are ruins).
The very circumstances that led to the return of magic were pure luck, by pure luck Sunny believed in the union and by pure luck Izzy found that note and appeared in Maretime Bay, if Izzy had never appeared the magic would continue to disappear.
the crystals themselves don’t seem to be very democratic, just because some earth ponies in maretime bay complained about ponies from other tribes at the festival was enough for the magic to disappear, the climate to be altered and these things to open up a magic crater that would suck any pony in it. First things first, I don’t even want to know how the ponies in the other two cities must have felt about the magic disappearing again and hearing the news.
and Twilight didn’t even give a contingency plan in case opaline came back since she is the cause of the crystals’ appearance, all she did was say “there’s a crazy alicorn who wants to steal this magic and enslave you, so be careful”
So this was a plan full of flaws that had everything to go wrong, and If it really worked is something very debatable
You have good points. The unity crystals were an emergency plan that was put in place when the work on the ANG movie took place, originally G5 was supposed to take place several millennia later in a foreign world where pony tribes had been at war with each other, and this was supposed to affect the plot. Among other things, we were supposed to see firearms - sketches and test footage were drawn up, before someone at Hasbro said “stop”. The team had gone too far in their work to start over, a new concept had to be developed - the loss of the magic and the unity crystals as the direct cause.
This was the central weakness in the plot in the movie, and what caused the most trouble for those who had to create a new world around the Unity crystals in MYM/TYT. This led to a lot of criticism about the Unity crystals, and when you think about it, forcing ponies to be kind, playful and happy was Allura’s crime in SoS. We saw similar in C1 and TYT. This was at the beginning, which revealed that the scriptwriters had been fumbling around with the crystals.
In October 2023, it was possibly revealed that DF may have sabotaged the work on G5 by prohibiting the use of FiM lore without payment, and this led to a visible absence on G4 of references regarding character names, place names, maps, races and other things such as the harmony trees, for example. It may have meant that we do not get to know what had happened elsewhere. In C6 we have learned that the dragons did not go out on migration as traditionally, they slept or hid in the Isle of Scaly - and that may have made hatchings very rare. The same may have happened around the world. The griffins will return to the time of decay, the yaks may have isolated themselves again, the kirins will leave their colony/home, and the hippogriffs will repeat what they had done in the G4 movie.
The combination of the naturalization of the original harmony tree in the ANG movie and the together trees’ root contact makes it possible to believe Opaline’s version of what happened when the empire collapsed; it “glitched out”. The loss of the vital communication centers and magical “batteries” is like losing both the airports and the power plants in one fell swoop. This would have thrown all the races on at least three continents into chaos, even if these things that protect their magic were to remain intact.
It’s possible that Twilight’s empire had made Equestria barely attacked for many centuries even after she had disappeared, and when it collapsed, chaotic conditions would arise that make no one want to attack the equestrian continent. Especially not if Opaline was on this very continent, as she would attack them to steal their magic.
Until the FiM rights are taken under Hasbro’s control, it is possible that we may not see more than the three cities of G5.
Background Pony #06B9
Does anyone think maybe TYT being 20 minutes long is a placeholder until a new cgi series (or more MYM) comes out?
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