MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread

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Being based on G4, now that’s the real albatross around G5’s neck haha.
One of the reasons I’m looking forward to G6. G5 was always gonna be a colossus with feet of clay because of that choice.
@CloudMistDragon
I didn’t watch those two because I thought I already did back then. Turns out I didn’t. Oops!
Yeah, they’re pretty good. I liked Portrait of a Princess despite not caring for the royal sisters. Haven unsurprisingly stayed my favorite out of the three. Hitch and Izzy were amazing in the movie, clearly the best characters there for me, and they were also the best in Growing Pains.
As a whole, Hitch’s still the second-best Mane character. Misty stole Izzy’s first place, but that’s mostly because Izzy’s a downgrade from the movie. And I’ve not even reached the parts with the horror stories I heard about her… maybe they’re only in TYT?
Also, the reveal that earth ponies had magic all this time but had never been activated even once in all the history of Equestria? Gawd-damn, the raw deal. They’ve been robbed for freaking millennia.
and Twilight never felt the need to uplift the mudponies this whole time haha
P.S. I’m happy that the French dubbing and songs are as amazeballs in G5 as they were in G4.
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With a little reworking I could totally see a timeline where Pegasi were the leads in G5.
Most high-tech society, Haven is already the most relevant leader, Zipp drives much of the plot, Pipp is in a lot of ways the face of G5, Both sisters being Princesses…
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When the TYT episode about the supercharged moon was aired, no one understood how it happened, but the celestial bodies move by themselves. This could be proof that the magical world had been fundamentally changed - so much so, that much of the G4 lore is no longer valid.
It was already proven that the magical world had been fundamentally changed long before TYT’s Moon Festival aired. Remember this line from Twilight’s recorded message in MYM’s Growing Pains?
“Magic is alive. Always changing. Growing stronger.”
And yes, much of the G4 lore is no longer valid. Earth ponies couldn’t magically create plants back then and now they can. Therefore, there are things in G4’s lore that are now outdated. What many people like to point at and call “inconsistencies” are actually just products of the magic in Equestria evolving.
“Earth ponies and unicorns can walk on clouds now without a spell! That’s bad!”
Why? Why is it bad that the magic in Equestria evolving has now allowed earth ponies and unicorns to walk on clouds without a spell? Because that’s not what it was like back in Season 1 of FiM? That’s your only reason for not accepting a simple explanation for why things have now been made easier for the ponies of Equestria?
And yet it has been seen that while the ponies could let the magic remain wild and unregulated in G4, it has been very different in G5, because not only had the magic evolved, it has become stronger - and more uncontrolled than before.
In MYM chapter 1 we had seen how magic became a very serious threat to the surroundings, and in MYM ep. 2 the earth pony magic was literally out of control - it had become too strong for earth ponies. And of course this episode was very logically weak because we didn’t see why the magic went berserk, it just happened by itself, and even less when the ponies brought it under “control”. Opaline explained that the more unstable the magic becomes, the more powerful it becomes. And she, as a Fire alicorn, could assimilate unstable magic without consequences. It is not only when there is discord among the tribe ponies that magic went berserk, it could happen by itself when magic users are inexperienced or careless. This was not witnessed early on in G4, because the magic was not that strong.
We had thought this was only for the tribe ponies - earth ponies, unicorns and pegasi, but that was before Opaline stole the Dragonstone in MYM Ch 4. while the dragons were asleep, and then it was discovered that the dragons also had to regulate their magic through a magical anchor. This discovery makes us start to wonder if there is more than just the Unity Crystals, and that it wasn’t the dragons who had been forced to depend on such artifacts to be able to use their magic, and that the dragonstone had to be dormant while the dragons were hibernating. It wasn’t just to protect the dragons from further attacks from Opaline.
In TYT S1 ep. 59 the moon was so magically strong, that it supercharging pony magic - and possibly all kinds of magic that is so high up in the atmosphere when the moon is at its closest. This could not be regulated at all, and the celestial bodies in G5 could not only break with G4 after all, these could be under some form of control. We had then learned in TYT S1 ep. 12 that the weather control in what is a static weather in G4 had been automated and then it meant that it must be able to be generated with magic. There was little use of magic beyond the pegasi magic in G4, in G5 magic powers the entire weather apparatus in Equestria, maybe the entire world.
And from the SYS Arc in IDW comics we have learned that there are seven magical anchors that work in the same way as the Unity Crystals, but in addition to giving sea ponies/non-sea ponies (sea dragons) personal magic, it regulates the background magic of the seas which is kept calm so the waters will not become turbulent. The magic in the seas in G4 was almost non-existent, mostly around the magically active creatures such as sea ponies, kelpies and others. According to Calla Lily, the magic is so strong that the seas can get out of control and swallow the lands.
Just like in the manga One Piece considering the latest revelations from the last chapter. There it was revealed that the islands were the remains of huge continents that had been swallowed up by the sea, and that these will disappear because powerful weapons that disturb the natural balance are still being used. The seven magical anchors in the seven seas are G5’s answer to the ancient weapons in One Piece. We know Twilight had created the Unity Crystals and the Dragonstone, so it is not unreasonable that she had also created the seven anchors.
Logically, one must assume that there must be far more magical artifacts around the world that Twilight could have created, and it was most likely never with Opaline in mind; we know from the Discord Arc and then Spike himself that Opaline had attacked twice, and that the Unity Crystals were created during the first attack to bring the magic under control. In the next few centuries before the final attack by Opaline, Twilight may have observed the evolution of magic and concluded that it is becoming stronger and more unpredictable than before. But then came a time when all magic had to be put under strict regulation like a natural lake had to be dammed because the floods and erosion damage were starting to become too harmful. The Unitt Crystals, the Dragonstone, the Seven Anchors and several others we do not yet know about - have become “magical dams”.
There must have been a starting point, a natural revolution, which made magic much stronger and more uncontrolled, there had been magical civilizations for several millennia without having to have artificial interventions in the natural flow of magic. It definitely wasn’t Opaline. The Windigos may have been the cause, perhaps these had an important role - before Twilight had to exterminate them because they wanted to exterminate all ponykind. Maybe she triggered something that wasn’t unforeseen?
In nature, such drastic changes do not happen by themselves. As with the extinction of the dinosaurs and the ice ages that created humanity in our world. There must have been a trigger - and we don’t know where or how it happened. It is as if a vast dam of latent magic had been extinguished to the rest of the world where the magic accumulates to unimaginable heights. Twilight being the element of Magic had undoubtedly understood this and then began to intervene.
The Unity Crystals which may have been Twilight’s masterpiece were likely the first artifact that could regulate magic through artificial intervention, may have been the predecessor of all magic regulating artifacts throughout the world. But we know from the Discord Arc that at first it was just to put an end to the disorder among the ponies by being able to regulate magic. It was not meant to steal magic from others, although Opaline possibly experienced this during the last attack when Twilight defeated her. As the ponies’ magic grew stronger, the Unity Crystals had to regulate more and more magic - in MYM ch. 1 we saw that these were about to burst because it had become too much, before Sunny plunged into the void and released the earth pony magic. The other artifacts or anchors may have been less vulnerable possibly because these are not so complicated in comparison.
Twilight claims that magic is alive, but then all these magical anchors are in practice chains that had to be used to bind the magic and force it not to blow up the surroundings. She may have understood this, and perhaps it may have made her somewhat depressed as seen last time in the IDW covers. Then she took the crystals apart. We know from MYM Ch. 2 that the Guardians were in charge of the Unity Crystals, possibly chosen by Twilight before she disappeared. The magic will not disappear by taking apart the Unity Crystals even if it becomes unstable, perhaps because it becomes too uncontrollable. Then the guardians got amnesia, couldn’t remember their mission. And the pony magic disappeared through sheer forgetfulness. When Sunny activated the Unity Crystals and released the magic, a lot of magic had built up in the meantime. Hence what we saw in MYM Ch. 1.
The magic had become too strong, so that it had to be regulated in order to have intact civilizations not only in Equestria, but all over the world. Herein lies the big question that has so far not been answered.
What is this about “Why is it bad that the magic in Equestria evolving has now allowed earth ponies and unicorns to walk on clouds without a spell?” I have stated my hypothesis on this, that there are magical clouds with built in spells that allow non-pegasi to walk on clouds and it seemed to only apply to certain clouds with the automated weather machines. In G4, only magical beings with wings could walk on clouds, everyone else needed spells to do the same. This is not uncontrolled or too strong magic, these are magical spells. Very big difference here.
So the question is; where is the big trigger that changes the G4 world?
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@Roseluck
I dunno, I’m a big Izzy fan, so I didn’t see any drop off between her movie self and MYM - but I’m guessing that all those “horror stories” regarding Izzy’s characterization (that I generally disagree with) are indeed a TYT-exclusive phenomenon.
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“ In nature, such drastic changes do not happen by themselves. As with the extinction of the dinosaurs and the ice ages that created humanity in our world. There must have been a trigger - and we don’t know where or how it happened. It is as if a vast dam of latent magic had been extinguished to the rest of the world where the magic accumulates to unimaginable heights. Twilight being the element of Magic had undoubtedly understood this and then began to intervene. “
Today, the world is under a climate crisis where it is not only too hot, but there is also a great danger of global flooding if the ice in Greenland, the Arctic and Antarctica were to melt into the world’s oceans, which will expand when the water is heated. It is possible that this is the trigger that transformed the G4 world - because by considering magic as life-giving water that permeates the entire world, it can mean that over millennia it had built up enormous amounts of latent magic that had not been “released” in G1/ G4 and G4 worlds. If all the world’s ice were to melt, human civilization would be severely affected, and this threat - with chaotic and uncontrolled magic predominating instead of water in the G4 world - would force artificial intervention.
Twilight with her expertise and talent as the element of Magic would be the right pony to bring such a global crisis under control and she may have used the Unity Crystals as a mod to create many magical anchors not only for the seven seas but also worldwide. This hypothesis could support Opaline’s claim that Twilight had an empire, which may have been world-wide based on the together trees, the magical anchors and bonds of friendship. Through this effort - which must have taken several centuries, a new world is being created - the G5 world, where the old lore had to be discarded.
But where did the latent magic come from, the “ice” that had begun to melt and release into the background magic? We’ve learned that magic in Equestria is layered; internal magic in a living being, static magic in non-living objects, passive magic that remains intact, active magic that can be stolen/sealed, magic divided by kind such as ponies, sea ponies, dragons and many more - and finally elemental magic. All of this rests on background magic.
As in MYM, TYT and most recently SYS proved to be too strong, so that one could not use magic without unforeseen consequences. Therefore, the magic had to be regulated with “dams” to prevent “floods”, “landslides” and pollution damage.
My belief is that the “ice” may be in Everfree. When we saw what was supposed to be the valley from G4 in the movie, where it is claimed that the big tree was the harmony tree, it turned out that the whole area had been eradicated - none of the forests are left. It looked like it had exploded there. We also learned that Ponyville had to be evacuated during a mysterious incident, and that the residents had to flee to Maretime Bay, Bridlewood and Zephyr Heights. At the end of G4, it had been learned that the Everfree we thought was magic free was in reality full of very potential magic that may have made the harmony tree a reality. Dark and terrifying magic that the ponies had to keep at bay. Was there in Everfree the trigger that creates the G5 world, happened? The most secretive location in all of MLP.
It happened during Twilight’s reign, and possibly before Opaline’s second attack. She had had to deal with the aftermath which she also kept secret from posterity.
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That’ll end in a disaster. With it being a sequel to a “sequel” that’s dubbed “the worst” by many fans even appearing in this very thread now or before. They should just go the Transformers route and reboot every generation instead.
@GoodVibesGorgeous
I still wonder what makes it different than unicorn florakinesis? The power of heart?
@DerpyFast
Even now only Hitch out of everyone else even Sprout, Phyllis and many earth ponies is the only one who could talk to animals. And yeah, if you did upload that, the outcome, reaction and consequence are painfully obvious.
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And to add by myself. I’m not opposed to it being either reboot or sequel. But the fact it originally went with the latter route, you’d think they have many, many, many ideas to already re-explore. But unfortunately, they can’t, because of stupid copyright laws. It’s outdated and needs to be revised.
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Makes me curious how G4 would have been with those powers around, honestly.
Other than the Flower Trio maybe being out of a job and Strawberry Sunrise definitely being out of a job, I mean.
Oh, how I wish I had the inspiration to write about all I want. Or even just think about it at all, really.
@Jonny Manz
Izzy was basically perfect in the movie so the only way was down haha.
In MYM, she reminds me of a few things I can’t stand, while she was simply amazing in ANG. Personal reasons rather than anything objective. Her French MYM voice is also growing on me, when I initially disliked it compared to the movie.
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@Roseluck
Your least favorite Make Your Mark Chapter 4 episode is going to be The Jinxie Games, guaranteed. :D Though I have to say, I have never found Izzy annoying. The biggest thing everyone hates her for is this joke in Tell Your Tale’s Dumpster Diving, where she chases Posey, a jerk, down on her Motor Scooter because she wants to use one of her earrings for building something for Sunny. I’ve always said and always will say that it’s just comedy. People say they don’t like how Izzy acts too much like Pinkie Pie in the G5 shows, but everyone was already comparing her to Pinkie Pie even before the G5 shows came out.
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Funnily enough, that was one of the things specifically brought up in the super salty original Deviantart description for that super low effort duck image of the various G5 things in the trash can (the part about Izzy being Pinkie or whatever)
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Ya’ll don’t mind me sharing some videos that could help your questioning?
In this video, https://youtu.be/icLBYlDGifg?si=EZ62VZlsLJZhZIj2 (A Passionate Defense of My Little Pony: Generation 5 Part 3 | Why Make Your Mark Was NOT A Failure), have a segment about Izzy in MyM ch2 ep 6, and how that yes she may be compared to Pinkie Pie, she is still her own character.
to almost quote Hawk Nightwing:
“Izzy is hyperactive and bubbly, just like Pinkie Pie in g4. However, what separates her from Pinkie and what makes her an entirely different character is her upbringing and literally everything else about her aside from the surface level. As a character, Izzy is very open to making new friends and has a very creative side about her. She’s also very humble and sensitive at her best. What makes Izzy a strong character in her own right is the way that she is very encouraging towards others, but she also has a lot of deep character layers that are constantly explored throughout g5.
In this episode, Izzy is homesick for Bridlewood which adds a huge depth to her character.
Comparing G4 Castle Sweet Castle and G5 The Traditional Unicorn Sleep-Over: Being homesick for your old house, and being homesick for your old life.
An allegory for fitting in, moving into a new environment/adapting to a new environment.
Perfect example of learning other traditions as well as having friends who will be there for you in your time of need. It is being homesick to your work because that’s the normal response you expect from moving to a new place.”
I would recommend checking out some of his videos, since its really good ^^
Dreeze’s videos are also good, since its filled with interesting theories and headcanons: https://www.youtube.com/@dreezegh/videos
Doc Anubis does some good analysis videos, and does some theories as well: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doc_anubis
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@CloudMistDragon
Honestly Sunny’s the one I can’t stand as a whole. It’s her episodes I’ll avoid.
@Jonny Manz
Yeah, some personalities just clash. Hated Pinkie at first sight (while Autumn Blaze gave a much better first impression). She was actually great in Winter Wrap Up, but that’s maybe the only episode where I like her. Shame, her French voice is lovely.
I’ll admit I’m not even sure I’d actually call Izzy Ponks 2.0. Sure, she’s the silly, clueless goose who’s all about happiness, but… Pinkie didn’t invent that. Even if some people seem to think everything revolves around G4, haha. And there’s still many differences between them, like Pinkie interacting with the fourth wall whereas Izzy’s an artist.
@DerpyFast
No. Like I said, got distracted by DA:I. Plus, the art style alone puts me off. I’m shallow, I only looked into G4 because it’s so cute and gorgeous.
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