The Anti-Nazi DNP Pledge

@Inucroft  
“others may not have that luxury for these real world implications could be a matter of their safety”
 
Nobody is entitled to safety.

@DragonRanger  
That’s some misleading shit and we should both be deleted  
and I’m anti-censor

@DragonRanger  
Yo, the statistic they showed are fucked up when you do the maths, they’re just misrepresenting statistics. the US population of the US is about 13% African American, and their statistics show that 25% of people killed by police are black, meaning that you’re basically twice as likely to get shot by police when you’re black.
 
Correlation doesn’t mean causation however, not coincidentally there are twice as many blacks below the poverty line than whites and statistically poor people commit more crime than rich for obvious reasons. But you know why so many people of color are below the poverty line? Fuckin’ Racism!
 
Hell in a lot of these cases the police shouldn’t have killed anyone, it’s a police brutality issue not necessarily a race issue.
 
I respect your right to freedom of speech, but I do not respect you.

@Marima  
actually, that means that black people are killed by police at twice the rate of non-blacks, including hispanics who are also killed at much higher rates than white people
 
 
if it’s the same statistics I was shown earlier by people on this booru, it also isn’t accounting for other ways the police kill unarmed people, which account for far greater death tolls
 
for specifically deaths by shooting, black people are shot to death by police at 3.6 times the rate as white people

@LemonDrop  
That 50% statistic is actually referring specifically to homicides, when you look at the totality of violent crime the percentage is actually 37.5%. Still, that homicide statistic is a concerning trend and I’m not entirely sure why it exists. Perhaps there is some other statistic I’m unaware of that’d shine some light on why, it’s certainly jumping the shark by a huge degree to blame it on something as superficial as skin color.

@Background Pony #68DC  
Actually it is a international human right. The fact you believe people are not entitled to be safe shows what kind of person you are.

@LemonDrop  
And you miss the entire point.  
Nobody obejcts to the police harming or outright killing a person in the mist of a act that would result in the death of others.
 
Howvever, when a person is doing as told and still gets killed? Such as PARAMEDIC Breonna Taylor, who was in their bed asleep when the police shot them?
 
Those who are in poverty or poor for all ethnicites are statsically more likely to commit crime. Yet for theUS, the Black Population are disproportionally poor.

@Marima @Inucroft  
Something I’ve noticed in this regard is people who tout “13/50” nonstop always disregard environmental factors that explain the difference in criminality. Poverty, lack of education, poor social networks, and high toxicity factors (eg, lead exposure) explain the majority of the black/white difference in violent crime and this all came as a result of things like redlining and government policies that disproportionately targeted black communities (such as harsher sentences for crack cocaine-related offences compared to powder cocaine, because black people are more likely to use crack).
 
Human beings are entirely shaped by their environment and genetics. Nothing else. So when every single environmental factor is shrugged when discussing racial discrepancies, what are they implying?

@Inucroft  
Behave normal and you are safe!

https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/  
>it is now all too common to hear calls for swift and severe retribution in response to perceived transgressions of speech and thought. More troubling still, institutional leaders, in a spirit of panicked damage control, are delivering hasty and disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organizations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes. Whatever the arguments around each particular incident, the result has been to steadily narrow the boundaries of what can be said without the threat of reprisal.  
>We are already paying the price in greater risk aversion among writers, artists, and journalists who fear for their livelihoods if they depart from the consensus, or even lack sufficient zeal in agreement.

@Moonatik  

 
Because they always come out as excuses and hand-waves?  
Like why tell black people to behave better when you can say that factors out of their control are the reason for their plight?  
Like how can you fight poverty when “black crime” makes creating business venues in black neighbourhoods MUCH more dangerous than in white nieghbourhoods?  
Or how can you fight lack of education when “black majority schools” have students behave MUCH worse than any other race-majority ones? (you can easly find videos on youtube of how “black majority schools” look like)  
There were many social programs in the past where people were throwing millions of dollars at black communities in hopes to change their lives for the better. Most of them failed. This was even easier to notice when programs were “multiracial” and black populations always retained little benefit, yet other races that were part of the programs (like hispanics) retained MUCH MORE and improved their lives.
 
You can easly find on youtube videos of “successful blacks” that will expand your horizons on situation of black americans and will make you understand that this is MUCH more than “muh white pipo” or “muh redlining”.

The one time that I decide to browse the forums this is what I see. Hoo boy here we go…
 
Point blank, I’m not taking a direct stance. Being a bisexual male with numerous black friends, I do feel I have some right to give my opinion. Before I continue on, again, this is my opinion and in no way bashes or directly attacks your opinion. Aight? I ain’t here for a flame war.
 
Now… The whole BLM thing.  
I don’t agree, in the slightest, with this “celebration” or “awareness campaign” or whatever it is existing whatsoever. Why? Am I racist? No. Because it very quickly goes from standing up for blacks who are wronged, to people who have no place being protected demanding protection and attacking innocent people. Every year since this movement began, countless police officers, often times completely innocent ones, are harmed or even killed by both blacks and whites due to the beliefs the movement imparts. Are there crooked cops that’ll shoot you purely for bein black? Sadly, yes. There are. But there is a vast generalization that arises, not unlike the generalizations that blacks are pushed under every day by racist people. Or the vast generalization that whites are “privileged” or are “treated above blacks”. To me, BLM exists and causes similar issues that pride month or other minority celebrations create. Severe bias and attacks towards the majorities. I, personally, feel that movements or celebrations for any minority, or hell, even celebrations of majorities, shouldn’t even exist. Blacks cry for equality, women cry for equality, LGBT cry for equality. Yet all of the celebrations result in more attention or even a reversal of hate towards people who don’t fall into the minority group, or are seen as the “reason” for the movement. If people want equality, if people want to be free, everyone needs to be equal. Everyone needs to be viewed on the same level. BLM, Pride month, etc, only further propagate nonexistent or even very minor hatred, causing outrage or hate that’s entirely unwarranted. Blacks are equal. LGBT are equal, women are equal. We all need to stop holding people above others. Period.

@Moonatik  
Eh, let’s not dance around the issue.  
There are radicals on the left side who, intentional or not, are basically racists themselves as they imply or outright state genetic differences to be the cause of various discrepancies in race related statistics, or they advocate for what’s basically re-branded segregation. I believe there is no such thing as rational radicalism, once you compromise on your morals and ideals to serve your ideology you cease being a rational person.
 
I do believe humans have agency over themselves, but maybe less than we realize. Our environment strongly shapes who we are, to the point we’re we need a massive amount of internal retrospection to even realize in what ways we’ve been affected. I’d say most people don’t even realize they need the retrospection much less have the time or resources to pull it off. Have I done it? I very much doubt it.

@Background Pony #2D9B  

 
You can thank “white allies” for such thing.  
Like every time I see “pro black movement” becoming white majority I laugh XD  
White leftwing americans are mentally ill.

@Background Pony #2D9B  
Maybe people just shouldn’t be stupid. I think virtually any good thing should be celebrated, being black, hispanic, german, indian, japanese, chinese, Irish, straight, demi, pan, bi, trans whatever  
I don’t think the actual POINT of any of these celebrations or movements are to elevate one group above others, just to make the group feel like there are more like them and they should be comfortable being who they are. Peeps miss the point but the vast majority of people that are a part of them just feel better and like its okay to be them though (incorrectly) protective of the celebration/movement as a whole including the bad parts.
 
I feel like its human nature to be like that

@Armagedonus  

 
Because telling individual people to “behave better” is completely useless in the face of systemic problems. Sure, outliers exist, but there are mountains of evidence demonstrating that black Americans are systemically disadvantaged, ignoring these factors and pinning it all on the individual people (who are, ultimately, products of that system) is unhelpful and unproductive. Even considering that the worst of the outright systemic racism was over 50 years ago, if you sawed off somebody’s leg and wait 50 years, it would be absurd to expect them to run just as fast as someone who never underwent the amputation “because their leg was sawed off 50 years ago, and we gave them a walking stick”.
 
This is exactly what I meant, by the way, completely disregarding all environmental factors that cause crime with the only other explanation being that there’s something inherently, genetically, wrong with black people, but they never outright say it because they know that’d completely discredit everything they’ve said.
 
And if this whole situation wasn’t silly enough, the half of the people on the “anti-censorship” side here insist that there’s no problems with racism or other sort of far-right ideology in this community. If that’s the case, why are we having this conversation?
 
@Marima  
For what it’s worth, I very rarely see leftists touting genetic differences in races as explanations for socio-economic circumstances. I’m sure they exist but they’re much rarer than people on the right who tout or imply racialist ideas. Regardless, racialism a steaming pile of absurd pseudoscience no matter who’s political interests it’s being pushed for.

@Moonatik  
Dude, you are the one who is EXTREMLY PESSIMISTIC.  
That because of past ALL black people are disadvantaged, even rich black or african immigrants.  
If your beliefs were applicable to other countries then there would be no hope to grow prosperous.  
Seriously, compare China 50 years ago with modern China.  
Or better yet, compare modern eastern Europe with communist Europe that still existed mere 30 years age.  
Or best examples - compare BOTSWANA and NIGERIA decades ago and now.  
It is FULLY POSSIBLE to grow despite disadventages.  
To start, all you have to do is work you ass off, behave properly and stop blaming your past for your own problems.  
Hopefully black America will understand this and the healing will begin.
 

 
Because of black life matters?  
Nobody cared about racial politics in USA until people started BLM/ACAB crap and mods SIDED with them, shadowbanning people, rigging downvote system, hiding anti-blm art and REFUSING to be neutral.  
SO yeah, blame blm and site administration.
 
Anyho I won’t talk about this subject anymore here.  
Not only because it is offtopic, but also because you start to call everybody who thinks differently than you a racist. Please stop.

@Armagedonus  
read a history book lmao, you’re exactly the same as the people saying ‘noone cared about the gays til they started appearing everywhere’ or some other meme argument
 
Like damn, it’s almost like issues exist before mainstream discourse around them does.

@dissociativity  

 
Stop twisting my words.  
I meant that people didn’t care about internal shit in USA because THAT WAS NOT THE POINT OF THE FANDOM.  
The entire point of derpibooru as well as entire pony fandom was “PONIES!”, not “USA and its internal problems”.  
You could have singular picture about “real life problems”, but these were singular and were easly self-contained.  
Then BLM came to this site and everything went to shit.

@dissociativity  
He’s talking on this site, not in general.

@Background Pony #4C0E  
There is more to reality than this website.
 
This website does not operate in “splendid isolation” above all the irl issue. It is a part of that world, and has a responsability to it.

@Inucroft  

 
It should.  
It is “poniponi place”, not “lets drag RL problems into entire fandom place”  

 
The entire world thinks bronies are degenerates and pedophiles because of our obsession with “little girl toys”.  
Because of this the rest of the planet can go fuck itself, we have no responsibility to NOTHING.

@Inucroft  
That’s all well and good, but the question was why are WE having this conversation, we are having it because of the BLM protests.