The Anti-Nazi DNP Pledge

@Background Pony #30B3  
Correct on both counts.
 
There are definitely already some familiar faces over there. Furbooru also has a mod named Luna but they’re not the same as Derpibooru’s Princess Luna.

It doesn’t matter what decision will be made because one group, anti-nazi or anti-censorship, will leave. You’re all acting like children that are too stupid to use filters: “Mimimi, they have rasism and instead of using filters I will not use the biggest pony site anymore and remove all my art, mimimi”.  
You can always use filters and add a DNP request for your art and the filters you don’t like. So if someone is using one one your pics to spreak rasism, the mods can delete it and you fans don’t have to make a twitter account to follow you.  
Just user your brain damn it.
 
And to show that I’m not one of those drama queens or trolls, that hide behing the “anonymous” function, I won’t use it for this post

@GregUniverse  
It’s Meow, he was staff here too before few days ago (and been called out by Booponies in either anticensor or concerned thread).

@Tirek
 
I’m about as anti-nazi as it gets and I haven’t left.
 
I respect the reasoning of the people who did leave, though. They took a principled stand against having their art hosted on the same venue as racism, and chose to remove it. I think that’s fine.
 
I’m staying because I believe I can do more good here than leaving. I can try to promote anti-racism and tolerance, with art and through forum discussions. But I don’t think that the people who chose to leave are wrong for doing so. Not everyone’s comfortable staying here and I don’t think we should begrudge those who decided to move on.

@GregUniverse  
By leaving the site because of a few trolls, idiots hater and real nazis, they only let evil win. Today they leave because of hate (rasism, sexism, …), tomorrow because of foalcon and soon because of porn.  
and don’t say it’s impossible, we all saw the destruction on tumblr
 
and if I can stay despite gore and hate art (Fall of Equestria and Zebradom, both hateful) then I don’t understand why they leave because of hate instead of fighting it with happy and supporting art

@GregUniverse  

 
Hope they know that Twitter/DA/Tumblr/wherever also have that stuff too.
 
It’s the internet, not really something that’s fully avoidable for anyone.

@Background Pony #4482  
Thank you for this post.  
Twitter also has CHILD PORN for Celestia’s sake and I don’t care what stuff hides in other websites. Here, we can at least controll and hide the evil stuff

@Tirek  
I’ve just learned to ignore things over the couple decades I’ve been active online that I don’t like. Which is quite a lot in fact.

@Background Pony #4482
 
That’s true.
 
I think it’s more that Derpibooru took a stand against that kind of content and then quickly reversed their decision. That and the vocal supporters of keeping nazi-related content on the site might’ve made them less comfortable being here.
 
DA/Twitter/Tumblr are massive enough that you can kinda carve out your own little tiny communities within those sites. But Derpibooru’s small. The commenters and forum-posters are people you can’t really get away from, and I guess some of the artists just don’t want to be overly involved with creators and fans of material they find abhorrent.
 
On those bigger sites, you can kinda isolate yourself a little more and only really talk to your friends and fans; plus they all have built-in block-user features.
 
So while your point about those sites having objectionable material too is true, I feel like they’re different enough in scope that it’s not necessarily hypocritical for the leavers to continue using them.
 
Like, to use an analogy here: Being on Twitter is like being in the same city as people you find objectionable, while being on Derpibooru is like being in the same house. It’s a lot smaller and more closely-knit.

@GregUniverse  

 
But thats the point - there was no consensus between admins and mods. There was backstabbing as well as attepmts to unlawfully take control as well as plain disinformation and “clique politics”.  
In other word Derpibooru NEVER took a stance against edgy content.  
It was all political bullshit.
 

 
Most of us come from other fandoms and media. MANY of us saw purity spiralling as well as slippery slope when it comes to censorship. (also don’t forget the Derpy debacle)  
It was never about “nazi stuff”, it was about never letting history repeat itself.

@Armagedonus  
>Most of us come from other fandoms and media. MANY of us saw purity spiralling as well as slippery slope when it comes to censorship. (also don’t forget the Derpy debacle)  
It was never about “nazi stuff”, it was about never letting history repeat itself.
 
I’ve seen fascism spiralling out of control under the disguise of “being ironic”, because of lack of enough moderation.

@Armagedonus
 
Regardless of the reasoning, I can understand why the leavers left.
 
That’s all I’m saying. To them this isn’t about “purity,” but about taking a stand for something they genuinely believe in. I believe in the same cause they do; I’ve been out physically protesting with picket signs in my town since the beginning of June, advocating for broad-sweeping police reform. But in my case, I don’t think leaving Derpibooru will be particularly helpful, and I don’t necessarily mind arguing with people on the other side (I’ve changed peoples’ minds before, anyway), so I chose to stay.
 
Those who left had their own reasons and I don’t begrudge them for it. Some of them moved on to Furbooru which is definitely more in line with the kind of content guidelines they wanted here. So they’ve still got a booru to post art and have fun in, and I’m all for that.

@GregUniverse  
They left to protect their own “brand”.
 
They just weren’t honest about it and tried to throw everyone under the bus by falsely labeling people.
 
If they wanted to take a stand, they would’ve either never started using the site or left years ago before wootmaster trolled the site.

@Pause
 
You’re forgetting that people change.
 
Some people who might’ve been comfortable with edgy “ironic racism” years ago might have realized later that it can still be hurtful, and are less okay with it now than they may have been nearly a decade ago. That’s not dishonest; It’s just growing and changing as a person.
 
It’s also conceivable that a lot of them weren’t aware of the nazi stuff before too. For me, that stuff was filtered by default and I didn’t really know about it until the controversy erupted.
 
You’re being overly cynical toward them.

@GregUniverse  

 
Yep. “Taking a stand”.  
They “took the stand” soooo much, thet they tried to doxx pro-freedom via googledocs list.  
And they threatened to fuck up funding of the site via patreon shutdown.  
They are totally good guys.
 

 
That would be true if by “fascism” you mean “being annoying edgy asshole that post /pol/ memes and stonetoss edits”.  
Remember - forbidden fruit tastes the best.

@GregUniverse  
Yeah, no.
 
Offensive humor shitposting has been around on the Internet longer than Derpibooru and has been on this website for years, and you expect me to believe they didn’t know about this?
 
“People change”. Yeah, the moment it gets a news article about it they suddenly want to take a hard stance and leave. Had wootmaster not done anything and no attention ever been drawn to it I guarantee you all, if not almost all, of those artist would be fine still participating on this website and having their art posted here.
 
The fact that some of these “Anti-Nazi” (hah) people love falsely flagging anyone who is merely memeing and shitposting as Nazis and fascist as well as the website as a whole is the true disgusting act.
 
Can’t get your way? Try and false flag the people to turn them into pariahs.

@Pause  
Not even memeing and shitposting about nazis, just opposing their will.
 
Also immediately going and trying to take Derpi’s funding out, spreading lies to the un-aligned, but still involved in automatic extremist generator, crowd, attempting to assemble a fake “pro-censorship” list of people, trying to dox people with the emails google shows when said list was discovered and vandalized, and then crying about how doxing is unfair when their own emails are discovered and threatened.

@Armagedonus  
>That would be true if by “fascism” you mean “being annoying edgy asshole that post /pol/ memes and stonetoss edits”.
 
I more meant to what happened to Gamersriseup subreddit. (Or, if you want much more extreme example, what happened in Germany in 1930s.)  
I don’t want history repeating like that; even though it would be much smaller scale, but I don’t want Derpibooru to turn into nazi breeding grounds.

@Armagedonus
 
You’re generalizing. Most of the artists who left didn’t dox anyone or do any of that stuff. People aren’t a monolith, dude. A group of a few people from a discord server that most of the artists here have never even heard of do not represent the leavers as a whole.
 
 
@Pause
 
I mean, at least you were nuanced enough to use the word “some” but yes, it’s just that: some. Not all. Not most.
 
Times and attitudes change, and I think it’s valid to become less comfortable with certain things over time. I’m personally glad that comedy that makes marginalized groups the butt of jokes has become less accepted generally. To me, that’s evidence that society is becoming more compassionate and empathetic.
 
Either way, I don’t really see any reason for you to be unhappy. You get to keep your content, they get to host theirs on a site they’re more comfortable with. Bada bing, bada boom, everybody wins.

@GregUniverse  
True, only a part of clique attempted doxing; however much larger part of the Twitter crowd has patricipated in their false-flag list that provided the emails for doxing threat.

@GregUniverse  
Except that comedy becoming less accepted is sad as shit.
 
If you didn’t like it, ignore it. But now anyone that does like it is being treated like shit.
 
Which is the exact reason why I, and many others, are unhappy.

@Pause  
If you’re making fun of the oppressed/marginalized, that’s not comedy, that’s bullying.

@Coda42  
Yup. Boondocks was totally bullying me.
 
/sarcasm

@Pause
 
I mean, you can’t really stop attitudes from changing. Different time periods find different things funny.
 
In the 1930s, it was viewed as acceptable “comedy” for white performers to slather their faces with black paint and do crude impersonations of black people. Most people here would probably agree that minstrel shows aren’t good comedy; they’re just mean-spirited and tacky.
 
And it’s not like they’re illegal or anything. But they’ve long since fallen out of fashion because most of society stopped finding that kind of thing funny or worth watching. When blackface does come up in modern comedy (which is still rare), it’s usually less “haha black people are dumb” and more “haha this performer is racist and out of touch.” The butt of the joke is the minstrel himself, not the black people he’s mocking, when this trope is rarely used in modern contexts.
 
That’s what I mean by certain kinds of comedy being less accepted; It’s just a result of societal attitudes naturally changing over time, as they always have.

@Coda42  
First, who determines which group is “oppressed/marginalized”?  
Second, if making fun of some group is silenced then they CANNOT be oppressed and marginal, for only people in power are capable of silencing anyone.
 
And if a group that is capable of shutting up people who make fun of them or criticize them tells you they’re “oppressed”, then congrats! You are being lied to, likely so that you protect a group that does not need protection.
 
 
P.S. Any group that tries to “protect the oppressed” instead of “teaching the oppressed how to stand up for themselves and carve their own path” is selfish and exploitative.