The Anti-Censorship DNP Pledge

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I don’t know if Luna is still reading these, but on the off chance they are: I hope you know that even if you implement the strictest of rule sets, the artists that left because Twitter convinced them this place was overrun with Nazis won’t come back. There’s “Nazi art” on E621 and Furaffinity and surprise surprise, they didn’t issue DNP’s on those sites. Despite their grand gestures on this site, the truth is they just want to virtue signal.
 
The Twitter crowd you’re going to appeal to will not return any affection you’re going to show them. But hey, it was all worth it right?
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I’m am pretty angry right now too. I’ve tried to be kind but I will also vent some frustration here.
 
Derpibooru banning Nazis. What it, particularly a certain pink hearted swastika pony, represented, the first real true clap down on content beyond a few pictures. There was now a pretty strong content restriction on something. Its one thing to ban support for an ideology and perhaps some of /mlpol/‘s stuff in particular did break the older rules: >>1807482 (deleted) that had imagery with stuff that was closer to stuff modern neo-nazis used and we could have used a conversation there, but to ban irony, to ban dark humor, to ban the stupid white horse in all contexts with her pink heart swastika meant a clamping down of something that has always been at the core of this fandom: irony and contrast. From Cupcakes to Fallout Equestria we use the bright world of Equestria for some pretty dark settings. It was something that both came with 4chan’s influence and the novelty at the time of a bunch of grow ups being fans of a show that was so sweet and feminine. With the way it was handled one would have completely understood why people were so concerned.
 
Our fandom was build on stuff like this. I remember back in the olden days when the public face of the fandom tried to distance themselves from the more “undesirable” elements to varying degrees. I’m not going to say they didn’t have a culture but they were certainly downstream from the “edgy” side. 4chan wasn’t the center of the fandom but it pulled that center closer to more edgy humor and darker stuff than a lot of the other fandoms that arose after us. A lot of things would originate from 4chan or one of the fan sites and travel out into the fandom more often than something arising in social media and traveling back. The social media and more “family friendly” side still was a magnetic pole upon the fandom and so on any central website you’d often see some type of filters or rating system. I think this let to an environment of beautiful creativity and freedom. You could dive in at your own comfort and you’d have these various different groups of people interacting, collaborating, being friends, and having hybrid influences. Though their was some tension this center held. 4chan’s edgy nature meant that the line was a bit further out, so you would have stuff from humor to serious that would cause people to freak out elsewhere but wouldn’t have even the slightest controversy here. So much of the internet has become rigid and I finally think it is starting to spread to our fandom.
 
I hope I’m wrong but the side that is pro censorship does have a lot who want to go to far more than just ban Nazis. I’ve been starting to see some murmurers over the past couple of years of the “4chan side” of the fandom needing to be purged by some people. Even occasionally going into complaints of green anons existence and stylistic choices over actual offensive content. There is a lot of passive pressure to censor right now in this world and I think with a few people, some internal pressure, and a lot of external pressure it could happen.
 
What angers me the most is when I see even some people that just blanket attack our websites, our communities as evil. When I see our “e-celebs” take these various moralistic stances. When I see people saying that furries are our moral betters. When I see people who are own tangentially connected to the fandom condemn it as evil and act like some kind of self exiled martyr you bet it makes me mad. I’m not saying my side of the fandom of the fandom was perfect if I could really be counted on any side as I was a more passive lurker till recently but to tell me, after the phedo abuse in your Discords, after the various petty dramas, after the various moral leaders you put over us who cast themselves as victims but turned out to be quite abusive and hypocritical themselves, after you abandoned the fandom, your right of course, but to come back and tell me that I am the one that has the problem. You bet I’m angry. If that impulse had been given into all those years back we wouldn’t have everything from Derpy to your porn and now y’all come back in here and say that my side of the fandom is a cancer to be removed. When I see you insult people of the various minorities you’re supposedly protecting………….  
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But I can’t just be angry. That would only risk more pain. I do not want pain. To anyone on my side, always keep a little bit of kindness. Disagreement does not mean instant enemy. Be kind to fence sitters and those are willing to have constructive debate. Heck, always have a cautionary olive branch ready for those that you don’t trust. Be smart about fighting any mob forces in the future. Break their cohesion. Find lines in censorship that some would be willing to cross but not others archive everything. And fight for the old spirit of the fandom wherever you go.
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@doloresbridge  
Despite what some may say, the slippery slope is not a simple fallacy.
 
If they go through with this, don’t expect it to stop with just banning ‘pro nazi’ art.
 
Especially in the hands of tsp. Arbitrary ban power in the hands of someone like him is bound to tip from just one category of art to anything tsp doesn’t like.
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4 of those people are/were admins, not mods, and “Luna” and “Princess Luna” (me) are not the same person. Please at least be somewhat specific in this if you really are genuine and not just trying to conflate everything for max rage on purpose.
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Strictest possible rules would be at odds entirely with what current policy looks like. It’s TSP you should really be talking to.
 
yeah, let’s talk to a literal anarchist that already said he’s murder people in discord, threw an actual transgender moderator under a bus and is now going full dictator on his own site. Clearly he’ll come to talk to us in a respectful manner
 
And i’ll be seeing you all in a few days after my ban unless i’ll get fully banned lol
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I do not support censorship.
You are also not being censored. Nothing about the recent decisions affects what you can or are allowed to draw, just what you can and are allowed to post here. If you really feel the need to make “content that promotes, glorifies, or trivializes nazism” or “content that promotes hatred and/or discrimination against others based on race, gender, or sexuality”, you are welcome to do what all the people who make artwork with underage human looking characters already do and host it elsewhere.
Seriously, however much you want to claim it is, this is not some assault on your freedoms. They are addressing a longstanding issue that some of their members have been getting harassed over for years now, and adding two things to an already existing list of all sorts of other stuff they don’t allow.
It is not that big of a deal.
Those who are willing to trade a little bit of security for a little bit of safety deserve neither.
Fun fact, that particular Ben Franklin (mis)quote does not mean what you are trying to use it for. His actual statement, “those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety”, was made while defending the authority of a legislature to govern in the interests of collective security. In other words, he meant pretty much the exact opposite of what you are trying to use it for here.
 
very well said  
for everybody else, please keep your shit together. If you want to be nazi, be nazi somewhere else. Right wing isn’t welcomed anywhere in the world in decent societies
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@LuneBat  
Oh no. Not another one. I hope you’re not another ‘communism really wasn’t all that bad’ kinda person like our fearless site leader.
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Right wing isn’t welcomed anywhere in the world in decent societies
 
kek
 
honestly, you do not deserve a response. it’s clear you have no interest whatsoever in the other side’s argument if your only intention here is to dreg up a THIRTEEN DAY OLD POST pointlessly.
 
others, ignore the bait.
 
DISREGARD MY GARBAGE they have Aryanne favorites and their last comment was “all lives matter”. I have no idea what they are trying to say.
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@LuneBat  
“And you’re very fast to spread hate, which suits you fairly”  
this feels like projection
 
also, I’m a socdem and agree with the idea that Aryanne should not be banned. Because I’m principled in my belief that context always matter, always. No matter the symbol or the word.
Background Pony #322A
Remember when it was generally accepted that the first person to compare the other side to nazis automatically was considered the loser of a debate?
 
It’s too bad that those people run this site now. Man I wish we could go back to laughing at people that are that ignorant.
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@Princess Luna  
True, but my point still stands for if the rules are only to ban Nazi content. Even if you do that, those people won’t come back. I assume at this point they’ll try to weasel out of their commitment by saying something like “The fact it took you guys so long to finally do it is proof you’re all still Nazis anyways.” And if you mention my previous point (that E621/FA has Nazi art and they didn’t file DNP’s there), they’ll just block you.
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@Background Pony #322A  
Funnily enough, these people have completely desensitized me to nazism. When I heard Nazi I used to think Hitler, holocaust, the usual stuff…
 
Nowadays I just think “Drama ahead”, because people call each other nazis for just about anything.
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@Princess Luna  
I have to say I truly do appreciate the hard work you guys have been doing trying to sort this mess out even as TSP pulls the rug out from everyone. It might not mean much in the large scale of things but you and the mods trying to actually work with the community have my appreciation.
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