The Anti-Censorship DNP Pledge

Background Pony #A8BB
@Pony_Prints<3
I agree and I think you were treated too harshly. Again if there isn't some serious repercussion to sending the site into a tailspin then I don't have much confidence in the long-term. I am interested to hearing how you would "very easily" set up voting and how to prevent abuse. Even if you were to permit voting only for accounts over six months old, even though the problem would be partially curtailed then some people might set up alts and just wait.


@Barhandar
Good points, but I still don't think anything less than a partial replacement of the staff team would cut it.


@Background Pony #1714
In all honestly, it's probably very likely the administration doesn't care at all and would only reverse it to "save face" like a PR team for any corporation.

They did it for their own interests, and they're big enough to get away with it. Maybe I'm wrong, I'd love to be wrong. But that's the pattern.

Their language is the wallet. The best course of action on top of the DNP is revoking whatever donations you're giving to the site. Then, just maybe, it might work.

Ironically, if the site was organized more like a corporation where the "stockholders" were user accounts and the amount of "stock" one held was proportional to number of upvotes one received, you could hold the site staff to be accountable (because artists would be the owners rather than the customers). Then again that might give the anthro SFM artists enormous power because of the sheer number of content and upvotes they get The way it is, it's more like a single ownership company where the individual owner makes all the rules. But at this stage if anyone's donating to the site's Patreon it's either out of ignorance or out of support for the policy change.
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Background Pony #1714
@Background Pony #A8BB
In which makes it akin to a dictatorship in some ways. But I feel this is a bad comparison.

Overall, the administration don't seem to realize that your ideology fundamentally fails when you decide to shut down the others in the name of yours being morally superior. This only creates more reaffirmed beliefs and division. And the current shitshow we actively see now.

I say it once, I say it again, the only things that shouldn't be allowed, are things that encourage actual violence to others, or other horrible actions in the real world. And whatever the EU (due to euro servers) say you can't talk about.

For example, if the servers are still in France (I believe), you won't be allowed to make posts about holocaust denial. Though I wouldn't understand why the hell you'd post that in the forum of a MLP imageboard in the first place.

Basically, any speech that asks for real, legitimate, harm, against another human being, and what EU law requires, should be banned. Anything else should be allowed as long as there is no malicious intent.
Boxless

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@Pony_Prints<3
Not that the suggestion hasn't already been heard, but someone who votes need to go through that's held accountable by Every other member of the community.

It ain't gonna happen but it'd certainly go a long way towards keeping this shit from happening again too easily.
pia-chan
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I will be filling out a DNP as well, I just don't like arbitrary discimination. Freedom of speech should apply for everyone regardless of the point of views. I hate the moral superiority some people has.
Barhandar
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You fucked up, TSP.
@Background Pony #A8BB
More likely ignorance. News take time to go around. There still was not an announcement about all of this (and if making an announcement is anything harder than clicking like 3-4 buttons, inputting some text in a field, and maybe waiting for a staff vote on it, that's your own fault).

Oh, by the way. When exactly does Patreon bill the patrons? The 1st of every month.
Barhandar
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Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Toola Roola - For helping others attend the 2019 Community Collab
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends
A Tale For The Ages - Celebrated MLP's 35th Anniversary and FiM's 8th Anniversary
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Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Helpful Owl - Drew someone's OC for the 2018 Community Collab

You fucked up, TSP.
I urge everyone considering retracting their donation to the site and staff's Patreons to do it IMMEDIATELY. You can re-subscribe later and there's ko-fi if you decide doing this was a mistake — for example if I'm wrong about this — and want to amend this one payment. This waiting and "expect announcement in a few days" STINKS BIG TIME of stalling for time so that Patreon bills the supporters and would require explicitly contacting Patreon support to get your money back.

Remember, it's better to be mistaken and apologize for the mistake, than to be exploited.
Background Pony #1714
@Barhandar
We should probably make alternate posts for this.

Get the message out a bit more. Even upload art relating to it before the Patreon's get billed.
Background Pony #A8BB
@Background Pony #1714
I agree though considering the current direction of EU countries I'd be fully in favor of a server change to someplace like Canada, where internet laws are pretty lax. Things are constantly evolving however.

Also a way to correct the issue I brought up in my last post would be to have voting rights proportional to one's average upvotes. However then users would be less inclined to experiment or upload spur-of-the-moment sketches. Ultimately designing a "constitution" for the site shouldn't even be a consideration because it's just a site for ponies. We just need a site owner who won't push politics into ponies.
Barhandar
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The Magic of Friendship Grows - For helping others attend the 2020 Community Collab
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Toola Roola - For helping others attend the 2019 Community Collab
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends
A Tale For The Ages - Celebrated MLP's 35th Anniversary and FiM's 8th Anniversary
Artist -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Helpful Owl - Drew someone's OC for the 2018 Community Collab

You fucked up, TSP.
@Background Pony #A8BB
Honestly, using the votes won't work. It's just clout with extra steps, moreso since it's incredibly easy to manipulate votes in a completely legal way.
Ultimately designing a "constitution" for the site shouldn't even be a consideration because it's just a site for ponies. We just need a site owner who won't push politics into ponies.
Basically, this. Hopefully also someone who won't get pulled into politics themselves and corrupted.
windburst

@Barhandar
I urge everyone considering retracting their donation to the site and staff's Patreons to do it IMMEDIATELY. You can re-subscribe later and there's ko-fi if you decide doing this was a mistake — for example if I'm wrong about this — and want to amend this one payment. This waiting and "expect announcement in a few days" STINKS BIG TIME of stalling for time so that Patreon bills the supporters and would require explicitly contacting Patreon support to get your money back.

I hate how im now in the believe this is what the mods are doing…
Barhandar
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The Magic of Friendship Grows - For helping others attend the 2020 Community Collab
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Toola Roola - For helping others attend the 2019 Community Collab
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends
A Tale For The Ages - Celebrated MLP's 35th Anniversary and FiM's 8th Anniversary
Artist -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Helpful Owl - Drew someone's OC for the 2018 Community Collab

You fucked up, TSP.
@Background Pony #1714
@Background Pony #1714
DO NOT DO THIS. I am against manipulating people in this way. THIS IS WHY I HAVE EXPLICITLY MENTIONED ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT THEIR PATREON SUPPORT ALREADY. (who are likely to already be reading this thread anyway)

Instead, if you want to advance from discussions to real actions, make an infographic describing succintly and honestly how Derpibooru added automatic shadowbanning of BLM tag if you downvote BLM messages, how they've silently added anti-nazi rule changes and exactly what said rule changes were, how they communicated on forums with BLM-supporting-and-terms-conflating, communism-disregarding, and staff-disparaging posts and provide links to said posts, describe how they just as silently removed the change to rule 5 (and might've restored the 10 or so Aryanne pics deleted to it) but not rule 0, and only then you will be able to note that it MIGHT — and it's an extremely huge "might" — be about stalling for Patreon billing sweep.

P.S. Note that you won't hurt the actual site by pulling out of Patreon unless the pullout is truly gigantic in proportions, because by their own claim it costs about 750 dollars per month to run the site and the Patreon is shown as having about 1100 dollars of monthly donations — even with their highest cut, 12%, and assuming it applies on receiving money instead of when calculating the donation sum to display, it's still a thousand and over the threshold. Also, if they TRULY were paying in advance for the site-stuff with excess money, not even dipping below the threshold for a month — or several — will result in immediate damage.

Also I'd like to know how many months are paid in advance for all the site-relevant payments for purposes of transparency.
Background Pony #1714
@Barhandar
I mean, if you want. You're right actually, I should edit it out.

It hurts the DNP movement in place and that's meant to hurt foot traffic to the site.

Thanks for correcting me.
Background Pony #0953
@windburst
Unfortunately they really haven't done anything in recent weeks or even in direct response to show anything counter to this. Since there is no risk in pulling support until there is an actual statement i think it would be best to do so. It may even serve as more motivation for them to actually say something.
Background Pony #B7DB
you know no matter what we do hasbro with one sign can shut down this website and start cracking down artist making iligal to make art of their products mlp belong to them after all including the art style
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Horsefugger
@Osha
Was a couple years ago. Was just a case of people poking him and him doing it right back because he has self respect. Mods being absolutely rude and breaking rule 0 and then deleting their posts so no one would notice it and make Coin look even more like an asshole. That's where the "You don't know what kind of person Coinpo is" meme came from. The sad thing is all this happened right after Coin convinced me this was a pretty good place to upload my work. At the time I kept mostly to myself and uploaded to a tumblr I never really posted anywhere. Coin is a great guy and I wouldn't have met so many cool artists in the fandom if it wasn't for him.

@MKogwheel
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I've gone DNP until things change around here.

Also, I'm doing my part!


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@Datte-Before-Dawn
Unlike how many detractors are portraying this issue, you don't have to be a Nazi or white supremacist or any other buzzword to see the value in freedom of expression, or to worry about how, even though it's Aryanne today, it can be anything else tommorow. Just take a look at the replies in Sethisto's post earlier, or in Derpibooru's Black Lives Matter announcement.

The people celebrating this will always want more. But it needs to stop here.

After clear evidence of admin complacency, ignoring our pleas for no censorship, and their vocal support for policies that restrict artist freedom, there is only one thing to be done now.

Join me and others in inflicting a Do Not Post order on your artist tag. This will prevent all your future art be uploaded.

Since each DNP request must be looked at manually, the sheer scale of the consequences for the staff's actions will be plainly visible.

If you are not an artist, then simply ceasing uploads of art and reconsidering your Patreon pledge will make our voices heard.

Even if nothing is done, as I suspect will be the case regardless, this will make joining alternative boorus, which are being built, much grander as they will get art not able to be posted on Derpibooru

Please, if you feel strongly about censorship as an issue, if you see the obvious slippery slope that censorship will cause, then join me and many others by requesting a Do Not Post order on your account.

To do this, post here denouncing this censorship and report your own post. Click on Other and say you want to DNP your art tag.

"Those who are willing to trade a little bit of security for a little bit of safety deserve neither."

Censorship on this site has hit before.

First it was human characters that made people a bit too uncomfortable, because they can't differentiate fiction, so Admins were complicit then. Censorship never stops, it's just more and more until it's sanitized to the ones in control's way. Ironically, just like the Nazis who didn't much like cartoons depicting their leader in a way they disproved of.

Gelbooru an image site was harassed into capitulation, by censorious types and the owner fought back calling out the hypocrisy of the provider and calling the bluff of it being "Just one image" they'll still up, so there isn't much excuse to blame the provider.

The people celebrating, I see no different then the religious wing-nuts that said Pokemon and D&D lead to Satan, the people that originally attack the fandom as "Stealing" it, the Jack Thompsons saying video games are the problem in the worse and MUST be change to fit their sensibilities.

Many were against censorship in the past because it was something they cared about, but when isn't show their hypocrisy of being the same as the conservitives that wanted anything from Rock music to games bared, band or censored. They turn coat and demand it banned for the Greater good. When something they love comes under fire and they'll wonder why no one will lift a finger to help them.

You reap what you sow, don't advocate for something if you don't want it to happen to you.
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