The Anti-Censorship DNP Pledge

Wait, guys  
Are we going to argue with people about the morality of cheese macaroni or are we gonna do something useful.

@Latecomer
 
you sure? You know what Hitler thought about Modern art? But well “a mininmum standard of decency for art is not really very authoritarian.”  
He also would have hated Aryanne but thats a completly diffrent story

@Cammera  
You cannot trust what the staff say.

@Digiqrow  
But they can agree that Nazi symbols being allowed is progress, and them being banned means they’re unwelcome.

@Cammera  

 
I don’t believe this one bit. Blossom makes multiple references to Raptor’s post. They knew what they were doing.

@JaggedCarpet  
I appreciate that.
 
On that note, I am going to bow out. I’ve said all I can say in the last, 8 hours? I’ve been given some food for thought, and hopefully I have given some out too.
 
My brain is exhausted now, which puts me at risk of acting too emotionally. I appreciate people’s time and consideration, even if they think I’m faking it.

@Bnau  
If people want to post art that supports Naziism, they can make a webpage.

@Latecomer  
I love how you are the arbiter of what is good and valuable.

Also, guys. Guys, seriously. Stop taking the ultra fucking obvious bait. He is not arguing in good faith, he’s just prodding you and watching how you scram. Even the “you’re DNPed so We the Royalty tell you to shut up and go away” was less of pure trolling.
 
@Latecomer  

@Latecomer  

@Barhandar  
True.

@Latecomer  
Just because you consider it “worthless or evil” doesn’t mean it is for everybody.  
One mans trash is another mans treasure.

@Skoon  
Yeah hours on end can be incredibly exhausting.

Okay read the post in full now on break and…I feel like if that was the original post people wouldn’t be up in arms about it. Its honestly barely different from what I thought the rules were previously
 
 
EDIT: but as mentioned its still not in a vaccuum this decision is measured with all the other decisions as it should be.
 
Until they inevitably flip or flop again

@Cammera  
Yeah no, that doesnt fly when we have a screencap of parasprite saying “I seriously want nothing to do with this. “ and i can directly link the posts.
 
https://www.derpibooru.org/forums/meta/topics/an-announcement-from-derpibooru-s-staff?post_id=4844785#post_4844785  
https://www.derpibooru.org/forums/meta/topics/an-announcement-from-derpibooru-s-staff?post_id=4844872#post_4844872  
This was a clear cut case of backstabbing.

no matter what we decide if the left decide they can shutdown the website just bring the complain to hasbro and this over

@Number_055  
@Background Pony #56E7  
The post is either wrote very badly because he’s a dumbass or badly because he’s malicious, those are the two possibilities we have here. I had a pretty rough discussion about how other mods should’ve just locked that thread the fuck up ASAP and make an edit stating his opinions don’t reflect the rest of the team’s, but that’s besides the point I’m making here.  
I was confused for hours at what that post meant, before deciding it had to be a rollback, rather than jsut very anxiously asking for input, because that was what everyone else thought. So I’ll admit I am biased in being willing to accept it could have been a blunder that caught everyone by surprise.  
Overall, guys: I just want to inform the people affected most by that post of this. You’re free to make your conclusions.
 
But I ask again, are we going to do soemthing useful or are we gonna discuss the morality of grill cheese. Christ, guys, don’t tkae the bait.

@Barhandar  
To me he is way more direct with his approach at least.  
Unlike Skoon who acts like some kind of snake, evaded the demands to explain his arguments thrice now, and now took his excuse to leave.  
I’d rather argue with someone who has at least something to actually argue, instead of treating people like idiots, telling them what to do, while substituting core concepts and entirety of words meaning, and then bouncing off, when surprise-surprise he failed to pull this off.

@clopficsinthecomments  
Not on this site I’m not. But someone has to be.
 
 
@Barhandar  
I am quite intersted in good-faith argument as soon as someone presents one that’s not “but free speech” or “slippery slope!”
 
 
@Armagedonus  
And who do you think treasures Nazi art?

@doloresbridge use archive.is, or if the SJ media in your area has already started blocking archives, an anonymiser link.  
If the site itself is blocking archival (ie Spectator), oddly, for now at least, the quickest dodge is just use http instead of https. I have no idea why that immediately gets around most adblock/arc request ‘gates’ but it does!  
Worst case scenario you grab the Google cache.  
I’d advise against archive.org tho because thanks to a certain shitty Star Wars author they’re in a big heap of trouble already and their crawler sometimes goes around pay wall content.

@Background Pony #8B38  
We disagree on this, because Skoon was actually engaging with others and he bounced off not quite because he failed, but because by engaging you take the risk to be persuaded otherwise. Latecomer meanwhile is “throw obviously designed to be bait shit at the wall and see what sticks”, without engagement and hence no risk to him.

I’m genuinely terrified that most of those people here who say they hate nazism and get mad with swastikas simultaneously declare that they have nothing against communism or even support it.
 
Communism is same shit as nazism - hateful ideology that antagonizes every person who disagree with it. Actually communists murdered incomparably more innocent people than nazis did. This is a documented fact.
 

 
And what’s most import: the german nazis rose to power using the censorship and terror, same the soviet and chinese communists. So don’t follow the ideologies that murdered hundreds of millions of people and don’t support censorship.
 
The only reason not so many people talk about how dangerous communism is is the simple fact that communists were one of the winners of WW2.

@Number_055  
Which is a legitimate worry. There is no perfect solution though. Someone will be disadvantaged by what will be decided.  
I just want to rage against what this thread started. I cannot fault people for going DNP, it is part of their freedoms, but I can nag on all of them for taking pony away and still wanting to play.

@Latecomer  
“Worthless” and “Evil” are subjective, and it’s pointless to discuss with you further if you dont understand the problem with that.

@Barhandar  
I am open to being persuaded otherwise - no-one is actually trying, though.
 

 
 
@Background Pony #7C5E  
I know they are - but subjective doesn’t mean nonexistent.