The Anti-Censorship DNP Pledge

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Before we let ourselves devolve into purity spiraling and political fighting, let me just say this:
If a communist is opposed to censorship on this site, I consider them on our side in this fight.
If a fascist is opposed to censorship on this site, I consider them on our side in this fight.
If an anarchist is opposed to censorship on this site, I consider them on our side in this fight.
If a conservative/liberal/social democrat/libertarian/etc. is opposed to censorship on this site, I consider them on our side in this fight.
If an alien invader from Mars who is plotting to steal Earth’s supply of fresh water and turn us all into their mindless slaves to return to the Red Planet is opposed to censorship on this site, I consider them on our side in this fight.
 
I don’t care which orientation people are on. I think being able to freely express things especially in art form should be paramount.
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The same could be said of many other words, and be accurate. No point in singling out one particular thing unless your bias prevents you from just doing a blanket ban.
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I’d argue it does serve a purpose. Providing an example of what is meant by “hateful ideologies” furthers the utility for someone seeking to interpret the rules in an effective manner.
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Censorship at all is as many say, a slippery slope. Taking measures to ensure that the “bad” shit is censored can and mostly will lead to the “not bad” shit being censored. We can’t simply say “Oh, censor blatantly bigoted things like, for example, art saying ‘gas the zebras haha!!”  
Sure, we could censor all of the bad things, but since art is subjective, who exactly decides what is bigoted, racist, or nazi? Who decides what’s good and bad? Where EXACTLY is the line drawn between edgy, dark humor and genuine racism? It’s very, very hard, maybe impossible even to concretely draw the line in the sand between what is good and what is bad when talking about humor and art. The best possible way to go about this is to censor nothing, and just allow users themselves to selectively censor their own feeds by putting certain tags into a filter or blacklist. That way, the people who don’t want to see those things don’t need to, and there is no need to carefully tread the extremely thin ice of policing humor and art to determine what exactly is good and bad.
 
Saying that removing only the REALLY bad stuff isn’t a solution to this problem, it’s the problem itself. Those vague terms like “good” and “bad,” or “bigoted” and “extreme” are only blankets that can serve as a way for people who personally disagree with the content of a post to get them removed based on their own moral highground. There is no reason to censor any artwork. In the end, it should be left up to the user themself, rather than the mods and site, to police the content. Eventually, people will get trigger-happy and start removing those posts that might have been considered “good” at one point.
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Like, I completely understand behavioral standards and stuff like anti-harassment, but we cannot let it be applied in a way that abuses artistic freedom.
 
Also I think yours was the one thousandth post here in this thread. So congrats.  
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Those specific guidelines can and will be misconstrued and eventually bent to be more vague. These are things that happen all the time. Something that is normal and funny to some may be what the mods who make the rule consider bigoted and offensive. As I said, art is completely subjective, so it’s nigh impossible to draw a line in the sand that will keep everyone satisfied. No censorship is good censorship when it comes to the topic of humor, art, music, or creativity in general.
 
There is a way to keep everyone satisfied if we censor nothing, by allowing users to censor it for themselves, by themselves. By censoring things selectively, we are not only removing the ability for artists to be creative on this site, we are solidifying the standpoint of those who wish to discriminate based on those who create art of niche, “bigoted” topics like Nazism.
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^ this
 
I think most of this thread at this point provides the definitive answer to the question “Is there a Nazi problem in the MLP fandom?” It’s blatantly obvious to me that most of the cries of censorship and anti free-speech here is just a cover and a smokescreen for people who want to defend drawing Aryanne and glorifying Nazism so bad. Poe’s Law doesn’t care about it being “just a joke” either. There’s literally hundreds of other ponies (and gryphons, dragons, hippogriffs, zebras, changelings, etc.) you can produce fanart for but y’all have stuck your heads so far down the rabbit hole you want to be so fixated on Aryanne and other Nazi OCs instead. I’m glad to see Derpibooru admins finally putting their foot down on this. Should have done it years ago but now is the next best time. Hopefully you’ll tackle the foalcon issue next!
 
Oh, and the guy y’all like to use as your punching bag just happens to convey my thoughts far better than I could ever put down in writing, so I’ll leave you with this, because change is best brought by education:  
https://twitter.com/woot_master/status/1278143070773456897
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@Soundwave_Senn555  
Great bait.
 
However, I will bite and say that no, you’re taking a moral highground because “nazi bad”  
It’s not about Nazis, racism, bigotry, or anything else. It’s about not censoring art. There is no place for censorship in creativity. You’ve pretty much proved everything that the people of this thread have said right.
 
You simply ignore the problem of free speech and expression and choose to gawk and cry at the fact that someone drew a swastika on a horse.
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@Soundwave_Senn555  
^^^^  
See what I mean? It doesn’t stop at one thing. These people become invigorated at one censorship and start demanding more. They’ll never be satisfied.
 
I don’t get why people conflate this with “Nazis wanna nazi”. Well, I do get it. It’s easy to simplify when your goal is not to understand, but to demoralize and antagonize.
 
It’s a freedom of expression issue, no matter how hard you or other Twitter goons seeth.
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They cheer for it, until it’s there things being censored.
 
I remember Polygon mocked people against censorship in gaming, but then an episode of Steven Universe was censored they they went on about the “injustice” and “created expression”
 
They’ll never learn.
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since this has come up multiple times, yes, i used to fav lots of aryanne pics. i also used to fav lots of foalcon pics. i don’t do that anymore because i’m not that person anymore. i no longer abide by my former stance that art is inherently harmless. i stopped faving aryanne pics after she became the mascot of the alt-brony community and, by extension, the harassment and bullying of far too many people i know and care about by said community, just like how i stopped faving foalcon pics after finding out that child predators, many of whom are in this very fandom, use foalcon pics as material to groom minors with.
 
don’t fool yourself into thinking that just because something is a symbol, it doesn’t have the power to cause actual, real-world harm. if artists drawing aryanne has led BIPOCs to feel unsafe and unwelcome in the fandom and has emboldened bigots in the fandom to express their bigotry publicly and direct it at others, that’s a problem no matter how you slice it. it’s the paradox of tolerance in action. if you think banning aryanne will lead to a slippery slope situation where otherwise innocuous art will be deemed “problematic” and banned then all i can say is you need to get some perspective on WHY it’s specifically aryanne in the crosshairs here. think about the irreparable damage the alt-bronies have caused to our image and our sense of community. is this one singular oc whose cutie mark is an unmistakable symbol of hatred REALLY worth keeping around? why?
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@Soundwave_Senn555  
Okay. I don’t hate you, but I strongly disagree. How many Nazi images on this site? 3623 according to a search with maximum spoilers. There are over two million images on this site. They’re not protesting Nazism but artistic suppression.
 
Can you blame them? Our society is moving towards censorship on several fronts. I’ve seen this playbook before. First it is always something undesirable or easy to agree on like Nazis but often it is used to suppress things based on personal preference and abuse. I myself was trying to hold out hope that some constructive dialog or compromise could occur that wouldn’t lead to a mass purge of fandom content already here, but now my goodwill is gone with how much the mods have twisted themselves into various excuses it seems to be that very same playbook.
 
Our fandom has a tradition of being a little edgier but also this lead to artist expressions you wouldn’t see elsewhere. That same freedom that allows the word ‘Retard’ to be used in a meme without question also allows people to be more serious, darker, introspective, and true to themselves. I firmly believe that a lot of the what you’d see as positive wouldn’t exist without the so called negative here and that needs to be protected to the best of our ability.
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