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Background Pony #12BA
@Raptorshy left the thread.  
Good. I hope she is thinking about her own health and considers quitting.
 
I sincerely hope she is not crying in the shower again, experiencing a mental breakdown, again. In which case i hope that other mods come to their sense and consider making her quit, if she is herself unable to do it.
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I don’t agree with the BPs saying to leave already, but it does seem like mods are stretching the rules in some cases.  
Why are images like this:  
 
 
not removed, but then this image was removed  
https://derpibooru.org/images/2390561  
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even though it was commenting on the current site situation and tagged as such? Not exactly an image worth missing, but still. I get it can be hard being consistent with all the images being uploaded, especially when dealing with matters people are biased in. That just seems like more reason to have a long-term plan to work towards improving accountability/consistency
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@Background Pony #12BA  
Good. I hope she is thinking about her own health and considers quitting.
 
Not that anyone will listen since it’s me saying it, but this sounds within spitting distance of a threat. At the least, hounding someone.
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Background Pony #12BA
@Latecomer  
[bq=”Latecomer”] @Background Pony #12BA
but this sounds within spitting distance of a threat. At the least, hounding someone.
i was refering to:
@Raptorshy
@Background Pony #7C5E
This came from some panic after the initial post as we ended up with over 100 DNPs within the first hour. That post was made by the other admins because they saw the site was being destroyed and wanted to act quickly to prevent it. I wasn’t able to have much input on it due to being extremely upset myself (to put it in context that night I was shaking profusely, sat in the shower crying for about half an hour, and passed out suddenly hitting the floor).
Don’t you care about her health?
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Background Pony #6C09
@Background Pony #12BA  
I don’t exactly have high hopes for the situation, but if you seriously expect the head admin will go break down crying in the shower after a completely civil conversation where everyone talked things out calmly, some points were brought up and others classified, then you’re beating even me in pessimism.
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Background Pony #12BA
@Latecomer  
@Background Pony #12BA
I do. But I’d rather be supportive than try and hound her off the site when she’s the person on staff trying their best to fix everything.
 
I am supportive.  
If internet drama makes you pass out in the shower. Then the obvious solution to prevent that from happening again in the future is to not be in any position of power where you are causing said drama.  
Neither are you in any condition to make any decisions in that state.
 
If being supportive in your definition means “everything is fine, its over now” without changing anything and waiting for it to happen on the very next day again, then your “support” accomplishes the total opposite and is just harmful.
 
 
@Background Pony #6C09  
It happened.
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@SomeDerpibooruUser  
That image falls flatly under the quality bar.  
Yet it begs the question: If I draw that meme with higher quality, is it allowed? I think the people involved earned some mocking considering both their malice and their dumbassery.
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belmontzar
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Ok so from what I understand, rules are changing and being changed because people objected to content being made? I am personally fine with freedom of expression but why not just make more tags for ‘problematic’ content? It is important to address issues and help others feel welcome and safe, but also important to not entirely restrict the efforts and work of artists on websites like this. I would rather see more Tags being made so that people could block out the content they don’t want to see, rather than hassle, harass, or totally restrict the artist and their freedom of expression.  
I mean if this website is ok with art(Spoiler text talks about some art that is on the site and mentions graphic themes and terms) depicting hypnosis themed rape/impregnation, mutilation of children and other violent death and gore imagery then I really don’t see the point in restricting very much of anything to be honest. Just give me some tags to avoid what I don’t want to see and let the artists have fun.
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@Background Pony #12BA  
You are aware this shower episode happened some days ago right? It’s not like it happened hours ago.
 
 
@belmontzar  
That was always the go-to response: “If you don’t like something, filter it.” But for some reason that’ll fuel speculation for years to come, that didn’t apply when it came to Aryanne art. Basically the right mob complained and got the rules changed.
 
The point you bring up in your spoiler was brought up many times over the course of this thread. And you’re right, it is hypocritical. Also a prominent artist agreed with Aryanne getting removed, but also wanted foalcon to be removed to, and that turned some heads on the pro-censorship side.
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@Background Pony #40B0  
But for some reason that’ll fuel speculation for years to come, that didn’t apply when it came to Aryanne art.
 
Becasue the Atlantic said the fandom had a big Nazi problem, and a lot of people who find such things antithetical to both their beliefs and the show’s teachings got quite worked up over it.
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Background Pony #12BA
@Background Pony #40B0  
@Background Pony #12BA
You are aware this shower episode happened some days ago right? It’s not like it happened hours ago.
 
She posted about it 3h ago.  
And it doesn’t matter if it was a few days ago, nothing did change or improved since then. Are now suddenly all mental problems gone, even thought that the causes are still there, and there is no chance of returning?  
This drama is going on for two weeks. With the team jumping from one horrible decision to the next and no end in sight.
 
If something makes me pass out, then this would be a very obvious for me that i have to get out of there and change something.
 
Care about her health and be honest:  
Do you think being admin her is good for her?
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Background Pony #C8E9
@belmontzar  
This is pretty much my view on the matter. Maybe add a new, cordoned off page on the website for those images, or add a context descriptor (much like what is being discussed for confederate monuments in the United States.) There’s several different solutions and approaches one could take; but yes, generally allow freedom of expression, no matter how odious.
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@Background Pony #12BA  
Don’t you care about her health?
 
She was on the only one who put herself in the front line that didn’t want this platform to be destroy. While at the start, every other admin and mod display weakest with their knee jerk reactions, allow them to push it up to this point. All of this could’ve been avoided if they just tell the people who want to turn this platform, into their very own political mouthpiece on current events to F off. We wouldn’t be having this long debate about nazi pony content that existence for 6 years now and was at the decline until now.
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belmontzar
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ok maybe I’m just being silly but I always viewed Aryanne as a Parody of nazism. Like here are the great and horrible Nazi’s being parodied by this adorable little pony. I dont think shes offensive as she is a parody.. or i thought she was
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@belmontzar  
That’s the problem - she’s diffrent things to different people. For some, it’s as you describe - but it’s not like there are no bronies who hold such repellent ideals, and some of them are naturally drawn to her to express them. Of course, they could do so through other chracters too…
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Background Pony #12BA
@Hisexpliciteditor  
None of that matters. It doesn’t matter whos fault it is.  
If you pass out because of internet drama on a site where you are admin. Immediately stop being admin there and leave! If internet-drama is able to hit you that hard, you shouldn’t be in such a position. Not good for you, not good for the community.
 
Maybe other admins and mods were causing the horrible short-sighted and politically motivated changes that caused drama.. maybe… then the ultimate solution would be to deal with those admins, but that will never happen. That’s out of the question, so the obvious advice is to leave if it’s causing you health issues.  
And if that’s the case then i have to tell those other mods and admins that you are fucking disgusting for watching your friend have such issues without acting - i don’t care about your political turf war, you are pathetic and disgusting if you do that.
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belmontzar
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@Background Pony #12BA  
Ok I do not think she should just LEAVE I mean stuff is crazy messed up all over the world right now, that’s why this discussion is even happening in the first place.  
This is nothing wrong about being stressed out as an Admin or as a Moderater, but you should take breaks if you need rest. Everyone needs time away from things, BUT at the same time this is a HUGE rule shift that affects the entire webpage, so I understand why she stuck around instead of got some rest. This is a big thing… but I do think she should step back and take a break.  
They don’t need to quit at all.  
[I am saying She because I THINK i read the admin is female, if not im sorry.]
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Background Pony #7C5E
@belmontzar  
You’re correct, she’s a parody, it’s the juxtaposition between something bad (A nazi) and something good (A pony).  
The argument could be made that she’s some sort of entry point to ease someone into being a nazi.  
Except someone went back through the years and counted how much of her art and the ‘nazi’ tag was used throughout that time.  
 
Aside from the large spike at her inception, the total amount of ‘nazi’ art being produced has steadily gone down.
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Becasue the Atlantic said the fandom had a big Nazi problem, and a lot of people who find such things antithetical to both their beliefs and the show’s teachings got quite worked up over it.
 
Correction: A dying legacy new outline that needed clicks. Made a rage bait article claiming that the my little pony fandom has a big Nazi problem. Not people who are sick of the political mouth piece post spam on current events on their main art site. To prove that claim, they use one tag within the site with less then one thousand posts. That only represent 0.01% of the content display on it. Good journalism right their, totally not ridiculous and 100% believable. Time to banned those Nazis and bigots!
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Background Pony #40B0
@belmontzar  
Most people just like her for the porn, her butt tattoo never comes into account. Other people like her for the reason you describe, that the combination of the Swastika and a My Little Pony character mocks Nazis. A very, very small minority of people think that just because of her cutie mark, she directly supports genuine Nazis. Never mind the fact that actual genuine Nazis would be absolutely disgusted by fat fedora-wearing neckbeards cranking it to a cartoon horse with a Swastika on its butt.
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