Policy update regarding AI content
Background Pony #EF1E
@Barpy
Tantabus is an amazing name though, an awesome reference to Luna’s creation!
Tantabus is an amazing name though, an awesome reference to Luna’s creation!
Background Pony #650E
Deletion reason: Rule: #6 Okay let me help you.
truekry 
Not an Artist
@Minus
I don’t think there is a thing like style theft in the first place. Artist draw like other artist as a fun reference, an homage or even just because they like the style. As long as the person stated it was done “inspired by” I think its fair game. Why shouldn’t it be this way with AI too?
I don’t think there is a thing like style theft in the first place. Artist draw like other artist as a fun reference, an homage or even just because they like the style. As long as the person stated it was done “inspired by” I think its fair game. Why shouldn’t it be this way with AI too?
The whole “art steal” angle is plain out weird to me too. I can look up all the art of an artist I like and try to learn from it. It will take time, a lot of studying and practicing, but after a while and a lot of effort, I probably could copy them. And with this every picture they made. Sure, it wouldn’t be made by them, but it would be very similar. But I didn’t steal the original or claimed my work to be the original. All AI does is this process, really, really fast. Who would claim that redrawing Goghs “starry night” in art class is stealing? People are mad about AI because of the low effort it takes and probably loosing a source of income. But they forget that AI isn’t really there yet. It needs lots of manual editing to get really good pictures. I mean, Google Gemini said it was healthy to eat rocks only a few months ago.
TLDR:
I still think the change is good. There is a lot of AI garbage and I saw a lot of people ignoring the 2 pics per day upload rule. The side was flooded. What I think is little unfair now is that “ai compositions” are hidden by default. I get that they don’t get featured, but if the pics are now to be expected to be “up to snuff”, then people should see them. If they don’t want to, then filter it out, not in.
I still think the change is good. There is a lot of AI garbage and I saw a lot of people ignoring the 2 pics per day upload rule. The side was flooded. What I think is little unfair now is that “ai compositions” are hidden by default. I get that they don’t get featured, but if the pics are now to be expected to be “up to snuff”, then people should see them. If they don’t want to, then filter it out, not in.
truekry
Not an Artist
@kyle_bilibili
I get it that not every artist likes it, but it will happen with human or AI. People will copy what they like. PurpleSmartAI is probably a blend of styles. And that’s natural and humans do it too. You like how this artist draws legs? And from that one you like the eyes? The difference to AI is, at the moment, that it is happening at random. Styles change from pic to pic even with the same prompts (not too much but noticeable). The technology is still in its infancy after all.
I get it that not every artist likes it, but it will happen with human or AI. People will copy what they like. PurpleSmartAI is probably a blend of styles. And that’s natural and humans do it too. You like how this artist draws legs? And from that one you like the eyes? The difference to AI is, at the moment, that it is happening at random. Styles change from pic to pic even with the same prompts (not too much but noticeable). The technology is still in its infancy after all.
Background Pony #D45C
@truekry
You’re very ignorant if you don’t think style theft doesn’t exist. There’s probably 50+ LORAs specifically made to be style theft, it’s still on going.
It’s always been looked down on to copycat one artist from another, but ai theives don’t care about this sort of morality because they’re more interested in style theft. free commissions, and impersonating artists taking away commissions that would otherwise support them by doing it through a slop generator with a name.
You’re very ignorant if you don’t think style theft doesn’t exist. There’s probably 50+ LORAs specifically made to be style theft, it’s still on going.
It’s always been looked down on to copycat one artist from another, but ai theives don’t care about this sort of morality because they’re more interested in style theft. free commissions, and impersonating artists taking away commissions that would otherwise support them by doing it through a slop generator with a name.
Barpy
Hypercurious
@Maonyman
Eh, I doubt that. AI art will always have some kind of “artifact” and just generally something about it that tips it off.
This seems to be already falsified for some types of more general AI art. This might become the case with AI pony images too. I think it’s already the case for some pony images personally from my experience.
What I mean:
AI art turing test https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-did-you-do-on-the-ai-art-turing
>Most People Had A Hard Time Identifying AI Art, Most People Couldn’t Help Judging Art By Its Style, Most People Slightly Preferred AI Art To Human Art, Even Many People Who Thought They Hated AI Art Preferred It
>The median score on the test was 60%, only a little above chance. The mean was 60.6%. Participants said the task was harder than expected (median difficulty 4 on a 1-5 scale).
>The 1278 people who said they utterly loathed AI art (score of 1 on a 1-5 Likert scale) still preferred AI paintings to humans when they didn’t know which were which (the #1 and #2 paintings most often selected as their favorite were still AI, as were 50% of their top ten).
AI art turing test https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/how-did-you-do-on-the-ai-art-turing
>Most People Had A Hard Time Identifying AI Art, Most People Couldn’t Help Judging Art By Its Style, Most People Slightly Preferred AI Art To Human Art, Even Many People Who Thought They Hated AI Art Preferred It
>The median score on the test was 60%, only a little above chance. The mean was 60.6%. Participants said the task was harder than expected (median difficulty 4 on a 1-5 scale).
>The 1278 people who said they utterly loathed AI art (score of 1 on a 1-5 Likert scale) still preferred AI paintings to humans when they didn’t know which were which (the #1 and #2 paintings most often selected as their favorite were still AI, as were 50% of their top ten).
Barpy
Hypercurious
On the other hand, hopefully this won’t add more overall moderation workload, because I believe this will add more types of moderation and dramas.
Such as “Is this even AI?”, since some images are no longer recognizable and it’s getting better, which is already true for some AI art outside of ponies in my previous message. And “To what degree is this AI? Where’s the line?”, which adds subjective judgment call. Outside of pony pictures, specialized recognition models are trained for this recognition, that sometimes work. :D But maybe it would be less total moderation workload in total in the end.
I’m for filtering really bad quality stuff, which I right now sometimes do using filters by setting some minimum score, as that also filters less quality human drawings too, when I want more quality. But I get it from the point of moderator. I hope this proposed change won’t make that moderating workload worse instead.
Local Sugar Provider 
PLOT TWIST: Imagine you post real art in Tantabus, but it get deleted because its not real ai pictures
Im just joking around ;p
Chopsticks 
Rice pone
On the other hand, hopefully this won’t add more overall moderation workload, because I believe this will add more moderation types and dramas. Such as “Is this even AI?”, since some images are no longer recognizable and it’s getting better, and “To what degree is this AI? Where’s the line?”, which adds subjective judgment call.
Previously, staff were running around trying to examine hundreds of images tagged with
ai generated on a weekly basis for quality control and proper tagging. Since all AI stuff is banned, almost that entire workload is swept away. There are no AI images to check and discuss on because they’re not allowed… unless it can be proven that AI content is a transformative artistic work of interpretation consistent with pre-existing art by the artist’s tag.It shouldn’t add workload because now created images are back to the status quo of being made by an artist, ideally with some sort of art tag.
With all AI art content [just as is] being auto-banned, the only way for a member to really get around this is to falsely claim the images are their artwork and tag themselves to it. An uploader who posts several images to the site without AI tags that seem like AI would need to prove that the images are created without AI. To really pull that off, the uploader needs to have an artistic eye, dedication, discipline, and skill which they won’t have because they do the en mass AI uploads because they don’t have those traits. Even so, forcing a particularly unique human style in AI with the variation is impossible.
There’s extremely few artists who are verified as being able to create quality images the likes of what most AI images aim for and most AI works, identifying their work as popular, imitates them. So if a user is just rapidly and exclusively uploading random images of extremely high quality without any listed sources or specific artist tag, especially without a very specific art style, we can tell that’s AI.
Enthusiastic members on the lookout for quality art will see and follow anyone new with an artist tag and it wouldn’t take long to realize the fake and start reporting. Only those incidents are the ones I think staff would need to take time on.
Some scant few, isolated cases may fall between the cracks, but that’s not going to be causing enough mass uploads.
truekry
Not an Artist
@Background Pony #D45C
You just proved my point. People will copy what they like. What does it matter if is AI or a human? You also don’t “own” a style. You can be known for a style, or have a style, but you never own it. You can’t prevent other people using it. You can’t steal something nobody owns. You can frown upon it all you want on the other hand. I never stated it was morally right. But I personally think that people want a pic drawn in a certain style also want it to be from the artist known for it, not from AI.
You just proved my point. People will copy what they like. What does it matter if is AI or a human? You also don’t “own” a style. You can be known for a style, or have a style, but you never own it. You can’t prevent other people using it. You can’t steal something nobody owns. You can frown upon it all you want on the other hand. I never stated it was morally right. But I personally think that people want a pic drawn in a certain style also want it to be from the artist known for it, not from AI.
Background Pony #18EC
@Background Pony #D45C
It’s not stealing, it’s copying.
If something is stolen from you, you forfeit it
The style always stays with the artist.
And I don’t see anything wrong with a AI copying artists’ styles.
At some point, a lot of authors will stop drawing ponies, at least because of the loss of interest.
And the AI will help keep their style and reproduce it.
It’s not stealing, it’s copying.
If something is stolen from you, you forfeit it
The style always stays with the artist.
And I don’t see anything wrong with a AI copying artists’ styles.
At some point, a lot of authors will stop drawing ponies, at least because of the loss of interest.
And the AI will help keep their style and reproduce it.
ZEkA10000 
MegaZez
@Background Pony #18EC
AI steals images because it pastes a pieces of arts into the generation and hides some mistakes to make a solid image. And let’s remember some news where artists didn’t liked what AI do and tried to sue AI dev who trained it to make arts using artists’ works.
AI steals images because it pastes a pieces of arts into the generation and hides some mistakes to make a solid image. And let’s remember some news where artists didn’t liked what AI do and tried to sue AI dev who trained it to make arts using artists’ works.
As artist I watched a lot of works of other artists and in total I draw anything in my own style, not copying other artists pixel by pixel
The Frowning Pony
Administrator
13 blinks per minute
I’d like to remind this little point in the OP (now in the middle given the extra stuff that had to be added after… but still there):
Please limit any discussion to questions about precise policy points or requests for clarification. This thread is not to be used for general talk about AI, neither technical or ethical.
While interesting, the topic of “AI” is very broad and we don’t want this to be an “AI General Discussion” thread.
Shydale 
A Pony is fine too
@truekry
Because copying the style by “hand” takes time, effort, and skill.
AI does not take any. Zero. Nada. You copy the prompt, add some more tags with a pinch of loras, and roll the dice a couple of times.
Honestly, it’s not up for debate.
Because copying the style by “hand” takes time, effort, and skill.
AI does not take any. Zero. Nada. You copy the prompt, add some more tags with a pinch of loras, and roll the dice a couple of times.
Honestly, it’s not up for debate.
@Background Pony #18EC
If that artist is doing art for a living, then their style is their product. Their trademark.
As long as the artist is alive and drawing, none should use ai to copy the style of said artist. Because that would be outright robbing the artist out of their bread and butter.
If that artist is doing art for a living, then their style is their product. Their trademark.
As long as the artist is alive and drawing, none should use ai to copy the style of said artist. Because that would be outright robbing the artist out of their bread and butter.
I mean sure, those who generate ai goonslop aren’t the kind who would spend money supporting or commissioning the artists. But then there are said “prompters” who ask money for their endless flow of slop and they don’t care if they’re hurting original creator or not.
Background Pony #4386
On the point of people disputing a deletion on the grounds of falsely identifying a piece as AI and asking them to provide a video showing them doing the work, as said AI is getting better and better and the disputer could potentially post a pretty convincing AI video of the timelapse with the excuse “please excuse my very poor quality phone/webcam”. Been seeing videos of “What to look for in AI” and “This AI tip-off may not always work”.
truekry
Not an Artist
Because copying the style by “hand” takes time, effort, and skill.
AI does not take any. Zero. Nada. You copy the prompt, add some more tags with a pinch of loras, and roll the dice a couple of times.
Honestly, it’s not up for debate.
To quote myself:
People are mad about AI because of the low effort it takes and probably loosing a source of income. But they forget that AI isn’t really there yet. It needs lots of manual editing to get really good pictures. I mean, Google Gemini said it was healthy to eat rocks only a few months ago.
I don’t know the specifics, just in general how AI works and what it does.
At topic:
What I think is little unfair now is that “ai compositions” are hidden by default. I get that they don’t get featured, but if the pics are now to be expected to be “up to snuff”, then people should see them. If they don’t want to, then filter it out, not in.
I ask again. Wouldn’t it be fair to do so? I know people will misuse the tag and mods will have to delete a lot of stuff in the beginning, but I personally would ban people who frequently do so.
Background Pony #18EC
As long as the artist is alive and drawing, none should use ai to copy the style of said artist. Because that would be outright robbing the artist out of their bread and butter
AI is usually used by those who can’t afford to buy art.
They can hardly deprive the artist of an income.
And if copying someone’s style without publishing it online, just for yourself, it’s hardly a “crime”
In any case, a drawing made by a person is still more valuable than a generated picture. And I think that in the fandom many people understand this.
They can hardly deprive the artist of an income.
And if copying someone’s style without publishing it online, just for yourself, it’s hardly a “crime”
In any case, a drawing made by a person is still more valuable than a generated picture. And I think that in the fandom many people understand this.
The Frowning Pony
Administrator
13 blinks per minute
Again, please, this isn’t the place for general AI talk…
@truekry
Please note the “Currently” in the OP attached to those sections; our expectation (which has unfortunately already been proven) is some people will retag their old generations as
Please note the “Currently” in the OP attached to those sections; our expectation (which has unfortunately already been proven) is some people will retag their old generations as
ai composition even while they still present clear issues, and that people will do the same with new uploads after the rules go into effect.Once we see people stop with stuff like that we’ll reevaluate and hopefully down the line the limitations will be loosened.
𝗪𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖇𝖆𝖑𝖑 
I don’t suppose it would be particularly time-effective to transfer our likes over to Tantabus.ai , would it? Edit: I see this has been answered here by @The Frowning Pony:
This is probably a good idea, forking it to a separate site. It was outpacing my daily browsing rate even with score.gt:100; I can’t imagine what it must have been like to moderate. And I can still go to Tantabus.ai when I want :)
@🐴
Unfortunately not one supported by “us”. The image IDs are also different, though all the copied stuff has the original derpi URL both as a source_url entry and placed in the description field.
Homeshine 
Princess
Clarification question that 3D rendering models will still be allowed?
And a practical question in that how are the mechanics of this going to be enforced if someone tries to pass off an AI image as a 3D rendering image?
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