Ciaran:
@Jewellier
Thank you for your input. Please note that these are just my opinion and my read on the current policy. And I will defer to someone actually on the tagging side of the team if they disagree, because this loose canon is on their side of the deck.
- >>2947191 absolutely would just be
artist:*
. Personally I believe the inclusion of theai generated
image in the actual upload is incidental for tagging, but I can see that example becoming a bit of a tagging battle ground sometime in the future. That’s a good example for more discussion about when included images HAVE to be tagged. If the artist tagged this asai assisted
then it wouldn’t be incorrect, and might help avoid drama.
Background Pony #6312:
I’m curious to know if there ought to be a different way to tag an image that has AI generated imagery in it, but is merely incidental…No. And forgive me if this sounds weird, but we tag what’s in the image. So … riddle me this …Someone creates a hand-drawn image in which they paste an AI Generated piece in a frame on one of the walls in the image.This image now earns an artist tag, a prompter tag, it is a uniquely copyrightable work of art, but it also has the AI Generated tag. This is like when someone includes someone else’s work in their image - especially where it’s a book cover or an image on a wall or something on a t-shirt. You tag both facts of the work that includes the included work, as well as the tags from the included work.Tagception.someone might include the AI generated image they have redrawn to allow for comparisonSame situation - tag all of it.Gotta tag ’em all.similar to the tag screencap referenceThat’s above my pay grade - it might be one of the areas that Rainbow~Dash was talking about where additional granularity will become necessary to track all of these.
Also anything with aprompter:
tag should implyai content
andai generated
.
Good point. None of them currently do, but maybe they should.
In that case the existing rules regarding spam should surely apply […] An upload limit just seems redundant or “We don’t want it.”
ai generated
images are concerned and one person is uploading more than 2 of them per day, staff may delete some of them at their own discretion. Non-ai generated
images will still be subject to the currently existing rules and will still be assessed as they have been historically, but ai generated
images will no longer be a part of that more deliberative, and sometimes lengthy, process.An upload limit just seems redundant or “We don’t want it.” reasoning which is hardly unjustified given the amount of artists that feel threatened by it.
Not to mention it’s going to inevitably cause headaches / disagreements exactly like you just participated in regarding what constitutes “Ai generated” vs “Ai assisted.”
ai generated
.Personally I’d at least bump the daily limit to six if you guys are going to insist on it, so that people can upload sets of the mane 6 all at once as I’ve noticed that’s a bit of a trend.
It’s actually going to be treated the same as other images ‘in their class’.
No, because we don’t want low-quality screencaps.
That’s … that’s just 250 images, going back 11 years. Some of those, like >>120084, are images from the fandom.Sure, some of those definitely are low quality, but just taking a shotgun look through them the ones I looked at all seemed to either be from the show, or showing something of interest to the fandom. We could go through those one-by-one, but some of those are ‘wow, that actually happened’ grade images that I don’t think we would ever Rule #3.If you would like to filter those, you can add this to your complex filter:(picture of a screen, screencap)Or, you’re welcome to report them and we can put them through the review process that we have. But only a couple at a time please. They really are extremely low-priority.
Hmmm. Why is that annoying?
Personally I’d at least bump the daily limit to six if you guys are going to insist on it, so that people can upload sets of the mane 6 all at once as I’ve noticed that’s a bit of a trend.Personally, I hope that people making sets like this will spend the the three days they will need to upload those 6 images making the results that they do upload - 2 per day - as good and wonderful as possible. Because right now a lot of the sets like you’ve described have had to be almost entirely removed from the site for not being recognizable as actual MLP characters. I sure look forward to the possibility that these changes will help us avoid that in the future.
For reference - to try and keep information consistent - this was the kind of case I was asking about earlier, where you replied that it should get both “artist:” and “ai generated” tags going by the “tag-what-is-present” philosophy:
ai generated
inspiration is a background element and informative of the process, but is not actually a part of the final image. The ai generated
component could be completely removed and put in the description instead, and the image still stands as it is as a uniquely copyrightable work of art.Philomena currently is hardcoded to add “oc” automatically
I think you should also look at my update to #4 on that post in case it is a better answer to your questions.
In any case, I just don’t agree that, for example, an otherwise fine AI image should be deleted because it botched a hand when real artists do that too. Or am I misunderstanding?
Maybe your suggestion of a unique tag for these kinds of things really would be helpful. But right now I have absolutely no idea how to word it, how to describe its use to others, or how to moderate images with that tag.Do you have a suggestion for what the tag should be called and its description?My apologies if you already provided one - I’m late for a meeting right now and can’t look it up. If you have something already, please reply with it.
On paper sure but that’s not how people really work. I would work on all of the mane six at once for whatever theme then post them once I feel all are finished. Not work on two, do something else for awhile, work on two, do something else for a awhile. You have to be in the “mood” and it would just discourage wanting to do stuff like themes entirely. Was gonna post a set of animations for the mane six soonish for instance but I might just hold onto them for the game I’m working on instead. Just seems like unnecessary hassle with the low quality rules already in place. A limit of 6 would be a nice compromise though.
I also understand though that rules must be structured to avoid abuse, its hard to write a rule that says ‘it’s assisted if you pinky promise you worked hard on it for more than an hour’ and I think we can all agree that we need rules that avoid a situation where someone inpaints a corner once and calls it assisted. I don’t envy the job of figuring out what counts as enough.
The answer will depend on the circumstances, particularly how the AI tool operates and how it was used to create the final work.[25]This is necessarily a case-by-case inquiry.
prompt:*
tags automagically implying both ai generated
and ai content
is a feature that is pending. Hopefully it will be live when the proposed policy goes live. If not, we’ll do that by hand until it is.ai generated
AND artist:*
on one image. There will be a thread at some point for going through images example-by-example, so please keep those in your back pocket for when the policy goes live.ai reference
? Or is this more of a domino-style situation, like ai comparison
? For myself, I think some of these kinds of questions might be better to try to hammer out separately once the proposal goes live. Perhaps with its own individual thread in Tagging Discussion.On paper sure but that’s not how people really work.
assembling the image set into a single image
Intentionality of upload
>>2974239 might be a good example for that tag you have been describing. Do you think that would also be a good candidate forai reference
? Or is this more of a domino-style situation, likeai comparison
? For myself, I think some of these kinds of questions might be better to try to hammer out separately once the proposal goes live. Perhaps with its own individual thread in Tagging Discussion.
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