Missleading Announcement

1. Fictional child pornography, rape, murder, etc is confined to fantasy then in your mind, but racism isn’t.  
   I don’t understand, what makes you think that people are more likely to respond to such content with going outside, somehow obtaining deadly gas, finding and capturing a jew or minority, and killing them using the deadly gas, vs seeing cp, rape and murder content and going “oh this is just fantasy, of course I wont do these things duh”?
    
   Even if you go less extreme and just assume this is purely about how likely it is to lead to someone acting like a dick on the internet, how is racist content more likely to cause someone not already predisposed to racism to be racist vs other abhorrent content causing people not already predisposed to doing these things?
    
   Because then you are opening up to the idea that racist content doesn’t necessarily lead to people actually physically attacking people being targeted by it, but merely makes people racist or approving of racism, which by extension has to also mean that murder, rape and cp content could lead to people having less than favorable views on women/men and consent, the value of human/animal life, children, etc and potentially expressing such views online.  
   How is that different exactly?
    
2. Also how is it off base? The hypothetical depicts a nazi fetish (character, possibly uniform), murder for said characters sexual enjoyment (gore/guru) of characters of a specific race/group (racism). The theme of the hypothetical is the absolute worst taboo turned into a sexual scenario, there are people who get off to this.
    
   You support the idea of racist porn, the site approves of gore/guru and you motivate other reprehensible content as being acceptable so long as its a sexual fetish, the viewer isn’t even told that they themselves should do what is happening, it just depicts a really awful scenario.  
   This greenlights the hypothetical as a derpibooru accepted upload according to what you suggest.
    
   Is this form of racist porn acceptable or not? Or do you need me to draw up a more specific absurd scenario of a nazi fucking a minority covered in swastika tattoos and calling them a bunch of racist shit, and make the comparison to what you deem to be accepted racist porn?
    
3. What do you mean by that there is “a bit of a difference” and why is the second hypothetical iffy?  
   The character would no longer be commanding the viewer, but merely make an offensive statement about an action they may be implied to potentially do.
    
   You say that a character saying that they should fuck a child, commit a murder, rape someone, is okay and that characters telling you the viewer to do these is not, but a character saying that they should commit acts of racism (actually just regular murder, but targeted at a specific group) is not okay?  
   Can you clarify?

@ManualReplica
The closeness to reality is about whether something seems to be meant to be confined to fantasy, vs. “let’s go out and do this”.

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Finally, there is a bit of a difference between a character’s own speculations and a command to the viewer, although I would think that hypothetical to be quite iffy still.

@ManualReplica
As for the hypothetical, it’s off-base, because it’s simply slapping on a character being aroused by something, rather than making the thing in question sexual like some kind of execution fetish.

And yes, people do act in RL based on their fetish. That’s the whole problem about pedophiles. It is dangerous because it is based on a sexual urge, which has the potential to shut off your logical thinking.

they were never a part of this community to begin with

Most of those twitter people who DNPed over “nazis” arent coming back

banning reasonably angry people

4 boorus have propped up,

While I’m sure some will not return, some are returning thanks to our recent changes. In the last few days I’ve been restoring as many images as I have been deleting, on average. Hopefully more artists will return. I’m not done talking with them.

@Derpy Whooves
You’re conflating DNP with takedown+DNP.

If you have the total numbers of artists that have done both on either side of this argument it’d be nice to see.

If only to know how many artists got caught up in this mess.

And how much of that is “These changes mean my reason for leaving is now invalid.” vs “My reason for leaving wasn’t that bad and i got caught up in the bandwagon.” On both sides.

When this is done though I should be able to provide anonymized numbers of the whole thing if that is something that the site chooses to do.

I converted reports, PMs, and DMs to DNPs where it was appropriate, but I know there’s dozens of artists who never showed up, and never will show up, on the actual DNP list.

The DNP tool in Philomena is not really an adequate solution for situations like this.

I am not asking artists if their reason for leaving was invalid or if they got caught up on a bandwagon.

5 RESCIND anti-nazi protest representing 1,357 images
2 RESCIND anti-censorship protest representing 468 images
2 RESCIND for reasons unrelated to the protests representing 243 images
24 artists still in discussion representing 12,141 images

If an artist doesn’t want their art posted, then surely their artist tag should be visible on a list with the given reason? What’s the point of anonymizing it?

Whats the point of having a public list of DNP artists

Hell, whats the point in even having a codified process if you’re processing people who aren’t even doing it correctly?

i was asking for your personal take on why people are returning

And these are takedowns (Or rather, restored images in this case) correct?

I mean raw numbers, total # of DNP and total # of takedown for each protest.

If the artist is not DNP, they are not DNP. That doesn’t mean they haven’t taken all their art down. And some artists are PHP.

If an artist doesn’t follow our process we will still try to help them if we can. So if someone asked for a takedown via DeviantArt or a Private Message or a report, we’ll do what we can to help them.

If artists want to say why they are returning, that’s their business, not mine. I’m just documenting their stated reason for the original DNP or takedown.

These are only DNPs. Some of them also involved takedowns, but those numbers are just sorting on RESCIND of a DNP, sorted again by reason for DNP (based on which protest or no protest)

Small reminder that Derpy Whooves is not very reliable source of information

…So if an artist requested all their art removed, but didn’t file a DNP, their art could then be reuploaded?

I don’t understand you otherwise, it seems utterly pointless to keep a list of DNP artists if it’s not reflective of the artwork that’s affected.