Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism

@Background Pony #0CFF  
There has to be some kind of limit at which point something is too hostile; even the show itself has moments of anger or unfair treatment from characters, so it would be clearly unreasonable to forbid all hostility. The limit is just (very slightly) past that particular slogan; do note that “bastard” isn’t a slur.

@Princess Luna  
Why does something being inflammatory to a website count as rule 0?

@Princess Luna
 
Not a typical slur alright, but still a very insultive term usually used despectively against someone.

@Princess Luna  
‘Insult’ ‘derogatory term’ “A bad word” it’s definition changes nothing regarding my point.  
Forbidding all hostility would indeed be ludicrous, conflict is a major part of stories.  
Except this isn’t stories, it’s real world people being openly harassed via images that you (the staff) have deemed acceptable.  
A line has to be drawn yes, but that line should not allow acceptable targets.  
“Dont namecall or insult anyone.”  
Why is this so difficult to understand.

You know i’m wondering. Can artist encourage fans to go to a different site via art? Like ““If you want to see the full image go to twibooru”” kind of thing?

@Background Pony #0CFF  
The point is there has to be some kind of reasonable limit to it; “politicians are assholes” is probably okay, but “politicians are utter filth that should be burned away” is probably not.
 
@Background Pony #5F8E  
Generally, yes, but the caveat is what a user would immediately see if not logged into the target site would have to be something okay by our rules.

@Princess Luna  
So its ok as long as the original images is within your ruleset right?
 
So that banned images of aryanne and pinkie dabbing and activating a gas chamber I assume would not be allowed even if it shows only pinkie in the derpi thumbnail? (That also includes being tag with whats going on in the original image just not showing it obviously)

@Background Pony #5F8E  
The original image can be rulebreaking, but what’s here has to be within our rules, and what’s immediately visible to any random person at the source has to be within our rules.

@Princess Luna  
If there was a tag specifically for calling politicians assholes in the same vein as ACAB i’d be advocating for its removal too.  
Its called being consistant and not allowing acceptable targets.  
Why is “Dont namecall or insult anyone.” such an unreasonable suggestion?

@Background Pony #5F8E
 
@Background Pony #5F8E
 
I already mentioned that idea in this thread if you like to read that:
 
My question(later part of the post)  
Reply i got
 
What i got from that is that Posting link to uncensored version in description of censored picture on this site is allowed as long as that link does not take someone that click it directly to forbidden image so for example if uncensored picture that is linked to require an account to view it(like on ink bunny) or if it is filtered by default and shows tag warning that you have to click to view picture(like ponybooru) then it is ok.
 
@Background Pony #0CFF
 
I don’t think that staff is making “acceptable targets” from my understanding of refined rules and discussion in this thread i think that it is more about difference between criticizing someone or something(from real word) based on their choices(job, political affiliation, their actions, etc…) which is allowed in tame way(like calling them “bastards” is ok but saying that they “are worthless scum that is cancer on current society” might be a little to aggressive) and criticizing someone based on things that they cant change or changing it is hard for cultural reasons(Sex, race, religion, orientation, looks, nationality, etc…) which is not ok.  
Based on that I think we can determine most obvious cases of what is acceptable and what is not. For example in my understanding(If possible I would like confirmation from a staff member if I am right in my assumptions) I think that following statements are not ok:
 
-All Jews are bastards  
-All Israelis are bastards  
-All Germans are bastards  
-All Americans are bastards  
-All LGBT people are bastards  
-All Straight people are bastards  
-All Christians are bastards  
-All Muslims are bastards  
-All Black people are bastards  
-All White people are bastards
 
While Statements below are ok:
 
-All Zionists are bastards  
-All People that support Israel are bastards  
-All Derbibooru/Ponyboory/Twibooru/Rainbooru Staff members are bastards  
-All People that support LGBT people/ideas are bastards  
-All People that don’t support LGBT people/ideas are bastards  
-All Priests are bastards  
-All Imams are bastards  
-All BLM Protesters/supporters are bastards  
-All BLM Counter-Protesters/opponents are bastards  
-All Cops are bastards  
-All Criminals are bastards  
-All Doctors are bastards  
-All Anti-vaxxers are bastards  
-All Firefighters are bastards  
-All Arsonists are bastards  
-All Soldiers are bastards  
-All Terrorists are bastards  
-All People working in public administration are bastards  
-All [Political party] members/supporters/voters are bastards  
-All Twitter users are bastards  
-All 4chan users are bastards  
-All Communists/comunism supporters/apologists are bastards  
-All Nazis/Nazi supporters/apologists are bastards  
-All Antifa Protesters/activists/supporters/apologists are bastards
 
 
Those are in my opinion are the most obvious cases but there are some that can be less obvious so it is better to ask about those.
 
@Princess Luna
 
I have a question about this part of your post:
 

 
if i understand correctly this image making connection between oc and ponybooru is the main problem here so if someone would censor the “ponybooru” from lifeboat on which this oc sits would then that picture be ok(there would be no connection between oc and ponybooru but there would be “oc hanging out with ponies the OC owner doesn’t like” which should be fine) or would censoring names of other sites from other lifeboats be also required?
 
I have also asked other question about your post that I think you might have missed so I Would like you to address them if possible.

@CHurricane  
On the topic of Milky Way in the titanic image that was deleted, when Milky Way was banned from /mlp/ anons posted her in protest as a free speech icon in a similar fashion as Aryanne is being posted on derpi right now, I believe Milky Way’s presence at the forefront with Aryanne was supposed to be a callback to that

@Background Pony #95A8  
Interesting. I personally don’t know anything about the use of milky on 4chan in the past. Would you happen to know what was the reason behind banning her from /mlp/?

@CHurricane  
To overly simplify the situation, basically /mlp/, a blue board(safe for work only posts) had tons of porn in it and it was largely unmoderated when it was first implemented, then moderation kicked in and a huge purge happened, Milky Way’s entire existence being sexual in nature, they outright banned her in specific  
A little less on-topic, but Anonfilly(oc:filly anon) was also banned from /mlp/ like 1 or 2 years ago? for being “pedophilic” in nature, I never personally browsed anonfilly threads though(or used /mlp/ much at all for that matter) so I cant personally vouch for how true or false that was

@Background Pony #95A8  
Thank you for answering to my question.

@CHurricane  
No problem, from reading the posts in these threads, you seem like a pretty reasonable guy in this sea of drama and chaos, much respect for that

@Princess Luna  
(not referring to this particular post)
 
As a side note i would also like to ask when are you going to post a link to Rule Explanations in FAQ on the Rule page itself? If I remember correctly this was already mentioned in this thread in the past but I still don’t see the link on the rule page(maybe i am just blind). Is it because you want to change/refine/expand rule explanations in FAQ or is it just a matter of staff members not having enough time/having other priorities?
 
@Background Pony #95A8
 
Thank you for the compliment I’m trying my best.

I got question about pic that just got deleted:  
>>2422885 (deleted)  
What got it deleted? Was it use of a word “Zigger”? I think that this word being used in context of being a reply to zebra that uses language that (in my opinion) might be considered a “sexual harassment” should be allowed. Or was it deleted because it was implying that Zebra that looks similar( we can’t prove that it is that oc for certain because of zebras color pallete and that his cutie mark is not visible) to oc made by some controversial Person in the fandom has 2 inch dick?

@CHurricane  
I think you’ve got it about right there, with the caveat that “All People that support LGBT people/ideas are bastards” runs a bit headlong into saying to discriminate against LGBT people, and so is probably not okay. Additional caveat would be that it’s not carte blanche to make such statements out of the blue, most of them would have to be in Politics General or an image about political groups being bad to be on-topic (saying “All Nazis are bastards” on random Aryanne images would most definitely be bait, whereas on an Inglorious Basterds image it’d be reasonable if a bit ironic in wording).  
As for Milky Way, the presence of Aryanne in the lifeboat with her would make it pretty obvious what’s going on. My recommendation for a “fix” would be to change Milky Way to an OC that isn’t very much tied to anyone (filly anon?), or is tied to someone who’s down with Ponybooru.  
As far as image deletions, it varies; some deletions are more solid than others, and in theory anything could be overturned if staff changed their minds on it. That particular image I think may have had insufficient staff discussion, so I’ll have to check further on things.
 
@CHurricane  
I just forget to put in a link on the rules page; I’ll look at where a good spot will be later today.
 
@CHurricane  
Combination of both; slur use could almost be excused on its own by the meme origin, but the zebra is clearly meant to represent Wootmaster and make him look bad, and then to insult him with the slur on top of that really squarely put it in Rule 0 territory in my book.

@Princess Luna  
And how is the image that said “you know that censorship is only something bootlickers support?” Deleted under rule 0

@CHurricane  

 
My point is that none of these should be acceptable under rule 0 as it is written.  
ACAB is just the most glaringly obvious exception to rule 0 at the moment, although apparently “Bootlicker” is now worse than “Bastard” if i’m interpreting #f565 correctly.
 
@Princess Luna  

 
What in the nine hells does “Insufficient staff discussion.” mean.  
Is this another “We didn’t look at it properly.”

@Background Pony #0CFF  
For more clarity about the image i’m talking about was a picture of molly tov looking at the viewer with that quote, nothing else.

@Background Pony #0CFF  
‘ACAB’ was originally a British Irish acronym for ‘All Coppers Are Bastards’ (aka ‘1312’) from the middle of the last century. In the 70’s it was rebooted by “The Daily Mirror” in a headline on their front page, when a yutes was caught with the letters sewn on his jacket and was fined. He was copying a Hells Angel jacket he had seen because, according to some reports, ‘he was fed up with coppers pushing them around’.
 
It was then popularized in song.
 
Referring to modern reboots of that movement does not break our rules any more than an image with a swastika on it does.

@Derpy Whooves  

 
To follow your reference, you’re saying that using the swastika in legitimate modern Nazi propaganda is now acceptable, which i’m 99% certain you dont intend.  
All references to “ACAB” on the site are not parodies, bar two featuring Aryanne.

@Princess Luna  
So Derpy was wrong and OC creators CAN delete any image with their OC they don’t like? Because, as it was said in this thread already, Milky has been an anti-censorship symbol on /mlp/ for years so trying to pin the intentional harrassment label on the image is inane.