Downvoting/hiding feedback

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The downvotes provided feedback on how relatively good my art was

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Personally, I searched quite a bit by negative scoring because there's a lot of entertainment to be found in the worst of the worst

But the second option would still let you view/search/filter based on how many people hid a post. Assuming people hide in the same way that they downvote, you'd still be able to do all of that.
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I just want to start by saying you're a thousand times more respectful than TFP and you should handle ALL site posts from now on. I wouldn't have been anywhere near as upset in the last thread if it hadn't been for his behavior.

Anyway, more on topic, I LOVE the idea of being able to hide an image without having to use tags. There are so many times where I find an image I hate with a passion, but it's not necessarily because of anything that I can pin down to a specific tag. For example, I find a fetish pic that I don't like, but I don't want to hide that fetish and I don't dislike the artist's other work. This is a fantastic addition.

But removing downvoting entirely promotes a mindset on the site that I can't approve of. This site already discourages dissenting opinions enough as it is, further reinforcing it makes it so you might as well throw away the ability to comment and vote entirely.

In the end, I think I would be okay with any of the three options currently presented. I would like the second the least, but I'd live with it fairly contentedly.
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If it isn't too much work, maybe a "suggested filter" section based on downvotes? The system could look at tags of images downvoted by a user, and suggest tags to be filtered, and then a button to just add them to their default.

It should require a minimum number of downvoted images with a tag(5?), and require a high percentage(75%?).

More complex filters with more in depth analysis of the downvotes would be nice, especially if it could be combined with upvotes to see what tags the user also likes, and maybe make more complex auto filters(e.g. filter X, but not if Y is also tagged). This would come at a CPU/db hits cost of course, and I'm not sure how much overhead that would cost the site.

Just a thought.

Edit Adding some thoughts as to why I think this would help.

I think a major reason for not using filters is that they are quite simply, too hard to use effectively for most people. They are certainly powerful, but there are quite a few tags that I certainly do not like for the most part, but a small amount of those images are ones I do like. I've got a feeling many other people are in the same boat as me, and just hit that downvote button on those images.

This would give a way to automatically adapt users into filtering those images out, while hopefully being less intrusive and blocking only the images that the user doesn't want to see.
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I have a sad feeling that no matter what option is picked, the mods will still get hate for it :/

Anyway I don't think reverting would be a good idea, since I feel like more people would downvote the image then hide it, plus mods would still get people abusing the downvotes.
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We don't discourage dissenting opinion.

What we don't allow personal attacks, or completely un-constructive comments like "this is shit".

And on image comments we ask that comments focus on the image, not the theme of the image. Meta conversations like debates on whether the site's rules should change or whether a theme should be allowed on this site aren't "dissenting opinions" — they are entirely off-topic conversations that should happen in our Site & Policy forum.
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As a means of dealing with garbage content, downvotes were never the way to go about. The score will always be seen as a reflection of the artistic quality of the piece, far beyond just whether it's worth seeing. I believe in that way it is pointless, but I do not believe people are wrong to desire a means of rating for quality.

A downvote system IS warrented, but the system in place did not suffice due to how score was calculated; a single downvote was always 1 while it's actual significance changed: On a piece with 150 votes, one downvote equates to 0.75%, not 1… raise the numbers and you get 7 to 700 being 1%, where the artist is going to see that 7 as far more significant than it is.

The score itself is very hard to gage anything by; For the most part I just ignore it. The downvotes affected nothing functionally while providing just dissatisfaction to the creator.

IF however it were percentages then I believe more people would downvote for reasons that matter to them and the scores would become something useful to the artists, while the garbage content would quickly fall into poor scores too.

I would propose considering a 'reasons' selection when voting negatively- something visible to an artist tag owner.
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I'm a firm believer in the users. The whole thing that sparked this was, basically, a result of users not feeling like they had a valid place to express opposing thoughts to what the staff had ruled final and whatnot. Revert it.
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downvotes becoming even more anonymous, the cryptonite of 'raid paranoid'-kin.

i personally like the reddit voting system, but it only works to help posts snowball in popularity even when others of same content don't.

if filters were perfect, then this wouldn't be such a problem for fetish/style or whatever people are getting criticized for, but the world isn't perfect. this community isn't gonna appreciate everything artists put out, so what's the point of pretending they do?

removing downvote count does nothing to stop people from downvoting. also, how do artists, like me, will be able to know how unpopular your uploads might be so you can come up with improvements? downvotes can be a tool, the point system means nothing unless you're just here fishing for compliments.
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Hiding should be a last resort on a booru. The whole point of the booru is to bring people together to share images and opinions on them. If everyone just hides what they disagree with, then there's no longer a community, just individuals browsing for what they personally like.

While I personally agree, you could easily say the same thing about the filtering system. :P

I've always been conflicted about the ability to hide. On one hand, it allows people to get exactly what they want, but on the other hand, it weakens the sense of community and it allows people to never expose themselves to ideas that bother them (which we don't have nearly enough of, especially now that the internet is so bubbled and polarized).
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Actually, what if you had to pick a reason for downvoting?

What if, when you clicked downvote on an image, a little popup menu appeared that made you pick one of a few different reasons for downvoting the image (like "bad quality" or "shitpost") before the downvote went through?

Presumably, these reasons would be available to view (whether it's publicly, or just to the artist/uploader) so people can know why their images are receiving downvotes, without people having to come out and write out a comment about it if they don't want to.

EDIT: lmao, got ninja'd by @InLucidReverie
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I'm not sure how useful a "reasons" selection or info box would be. We had tossed that idea around ourselves. But the thought came people would just select whatever first option there was for filtering without paying attention to what it said, or just type random gibberish as a reason.

And while we could try to moderate that, and punish those who do just set random reasons/gibberish. They would be more work than we were already doing just monitoring mass-downvoters.
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As a compromise, I'd like it if the system allowed it for the uploader to see the true upvote/downvote score, while everybody else can only see the overall score. I'm not too keen on this change but time will tell how this will go.
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There will be more personal attacks and unconstructive critic since not everyone can put their dislike into words and/or same language as the artist.

Give the people a easy "I disaprove of this" option and most are just going by with that option. At least that was my experience in community managment.
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There's clearly a lot of people who see no worth at all in downvotes but I do. If nothing else, I'd want the option of enabling seeing a true score of how many people have downvoted/hidden an image. It's way more useful for me to both find what the community accurately has preferences for and for measuring the popularity of my own art.
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@Zeb
I'm sure they would, but if the first option were just 'no reason given' then that wouldn't be an issue. On teh other habd, if people did give a proper reason it could allow artists to see some logic to what they're looking at.
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how do artists, like me, will be able to know how unpopular your uploads might be so you can come up with improvements? downvotes can be a tool, the point system means nothing unless you're just here fishing for compliments.

The second option still lets you do see how unpopular your uploads are based on how many people hid it. :P
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