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suddenly being 10 more Aryanne images than few days ago
 
And despite all this there still hasn’t been Zebradom+aryanne in over a year, my heart weeps.  
That said, I’m glad that they’re not removing all aryanne pics anymore, although I never understood why they did it in the first place. How can anything ponified actually support anything? I know Poes law is a thing, but a pony parody is way beyond misinterpretation. By ponifying something you’re essentially parodying it with a show about pony friendship, and the idea a pony parody of a pretty much extinct Racial supremacist organization will somehow meaningfully promote said nigh nonexistent organization is pretty silly.
 
Also, I get the feeling bronies would be one of the first groups to be “re-educated” if a totalitarian, facist, racial supremacist, organization actually did come to power, so I can’t see why anyone who supported such an organization would be trying to promote their politics here in the first place except for those edgelords and fetishists.
Barhandar
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@Background Pony #5F25  
Ideological reasons plus committing a whole bunch of fallacies to justify it. Not even Germany itself - which is still going too hard in “anti-nazi” regards to the point of breeding real nazis through resentment and “forbidden fruit” effect - bans artistic depictions of nazism.
 
I dunno, there are a lot of people who would support such an organization despite being personally opposed to it in the sorely mistaken hope they’ll be spared because they have “shown their support for it”. Which is… an extremely logically flawed position likely borne out of how human brains are (turbo survivalist and extremely bad at assessing certain risks), specifically because totalitarian rule subverts everything to support and promote itself, and colorful dimunitive horses with a message of “don’t be a dick or you’ll fucking freeze to death” aren’t really supportive of totalitarianism.
 
P.S. Also, the definition of “not being a dick” is provided by an immutable source that just feeds on hatred. It doesn’t care what words said hatred calls itself, or what colors it wears. It is impartisan. VoteWindigoToday2020!
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I will say something. I hope the mods give this one a read.
 
I am aware that far-right groups have a pattern of infiltrating fandoms and radicalizing them by a pattern of normalizing exposure to the group (like aryanne) and then using their existence in the fandom as a tool to drive a wedge between them and “the left”. So we end up stuck with two horrible options, purge an innocent symbol of an extremely small and evil group and let them win by driving a wedge in us, or tolerate their existence and have them slowly accumulate and poison the community.
 
I guess in this regards, a moderated moderation strategy is wise. A time-sensitive moderation strategy is also wise. Responding to the concerns of their direct opposition over a long period of time is also wise, because moderated response will drive them away but do less damage to us.
 
The people who use the site in innocent ways should probably still voice concern one way or another, though.
 
In short, seems like a good idea for now. Emphasis on this specific thing for a non-specifically small period of time.
Zatss

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I am aware that far-right groups have a pattern of infiltrating fandoms and radicalizing them by a pattern of normalizing exposure to the group (like aryanne) and then using their existence in the fandom as a tool to drive a wedge between them and “the left”.
 
[citation needed]
Barhandar
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@donut64s  
Note that as demonstrated in the other thread, both “sides” of this conflict employ the same strategy of infiltration and destruction of the community from inside. Being on guard against any one side instead of the method just means the other sides can destroy you in the same manner, especially if you consider them harmless based on their “looks” - what they claim to be for - instead of looking at what they do. Or if you buy into their attempts to minimize a message of hatred by claiming it doesn’t mean what the words it’s made of mean in combination.
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@doloresbridge
Honestly? It looks like a split in the staff team. The “old guard” of admins, who have caved under the continuous pressure and became subverted by an authoritarian ideology, vs. “the actual mods”, which do not buy into said ideology yet.
And the mods are really sick of downvote spams.
Not a reason to compromise just moderation via automatic shadowbanning mechanism. Would something that gives a message “this user has downvoted X/Xmax (YY%), which is above the threshold, of the tracked tag Z in the last time period A, click here to go to their punishment-application-panel” and lets the actual mods decide what to actually do be really that much more difficult?
@Boxless
Also this. Downvote-spamming certain fetishes is “fine” and ends up with real moderation, but the moment it happens to undisguised propaganda that some of the staff support it’s haram and must be prevented at all costs?
 
Except the band were done manually, the tool for finding downtvote spammers was automatic but the review process and actual shasowbanning was done manually, as was described in the blm thread. A!so, do you have a better way to deal with downvote spam?
 
Also, I’ll go through the thread from about page 20 forward tomorrow. I’m really pissed after seeing someone in the other thread (the thanks thread) comparing being banned from a website with being murdered, considering that my dad was murdered and I can safely tell you that they are in no way comparable
Zatss

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I’m really pissed after seeing someone in the other thread (the thanks thread) comparing being banned from a website with being murdered
 
[citation needed]
 
Also I don’t think “downvote spam” (ie, many people not liking a work of art) is a problem to begin with, but I don’t think that’s really on-topic.
Barhandar
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@Zatss  
I might be wrong, true. And this might in fact be perpetrated solely by one side, with them pretending it’s “other side” thing to attempt to dodge responsibility.  
However, I don’t really see a difference between what those two groups would do in same circumstances, and thus can easily believe the nazis (note that historically “far right” is synonymous with “nazist” - it was made by the press to refer to the Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy) would do it, if anyone took them seriously in the first place. Which is also why I think they’d just pretend to be the opposite group to do the exact same thing all over again.
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@Barhandar  
Then you know very little about history, because communists and Nazis hated each other’s guts and fought on opposite sides of the bloodiest war in human history.
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@Background Pony #89B9  
>response to downvote spam  
No. Why should i? Why is mi.e or anyone<R’s job to tell people what to downvote? Do we have to protect bad art from those who don’t like it now? If someone wants upvotes it’s their job to compell me to upvote. Make me laugh or apreciate your art other way. Sticking performational wokeness or ʾplease laugh’ edgyism is equally as bad.
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I am aware that far-right groups have a pattern of infiltrating fandoms and radicalizing them by a pattern of normalizing exposure to the group (like aryanne) and then using their existence in the fandom as a tool to drive a wedge between them and “the left”.
[citation needed]
 
@Zatss  
I’m really pissed after seeing someone in the other thread (the thanks thread) comparing being banned from a website with being murdered
[citation needed]
Also I don’t think “downvote spam” (ie, many people not liking a work of art) is a problem to begin with, but I don’t think that’s really on-topic.
@donut64s
Note that as demonstrated in the other thread, both “sides” of this conflict employ the same strategy of infiltration and destruction of the community from inside. Being on guard against any one side instead of the method just means the other sides can destroy you in the same manner, especially if you consider them harmless based on their “looks” - what they claim to be for - instead of looking at what they do. Or if you buy into their attempts to minimize a message of hatred by claiming it doesn’t mean what the words it’s made of mean in combination.
 
I’m glad you all are thinking about it, and not just trusting me. That’s more important than anything. I am not an expert. I have a slimy stinky opinion, just like anyone else.
Barhandar
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@Zatss  
Two words: “competition” (the actual source of the conflict) and “propaganda” (what was intensifying the mutual hatred). Both were totalitarian dictatorships with dreams of taking over Europe.
 
@Background Pony #89B9  
Same way it was done for the last eight years: warn the user, clear the downvotes, ban them if they try again since second attempt means they’re obviously seeking images out. The exact same principle mods apply to Derpi lacking a personal blocking function applies: if you have to hide someone from your sight, maybe they shouldn’t be on the site altogether.  
And yes, I know how easily that can be exploited to ban the undesirables. Whether it saves or finishes off the site is besides the point.
 
Also, thinking that you have a right to control what content someone can see, via shadowbans, is absofuckinglutely authoritarian bullshit that has no place here. Filters are chosen by the user themselves for a reason, and if you forbid that choice via shadowbans, it has much more far-reaching implications than you’d like.
Zatss

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@Barhandar  
The fact that you can’t think of a more recent example of right-wing totalitarian censorship than Nazi Germany should tell you something, methinks.
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@Zatss  
I just can’t be bothered looking up all the banana republics. And again, I don’t care. Totalitarian censorship is totalitarian censorship no matter what the reason it claims for itself, whether it’s whatever nazi germany and USSR used, “harmonious society”, “diversity and removal of hateful ideologies” or literally anything else.
Zatss

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@Barhandar  
I don’t disagree. What I disagree with is you saying both sides are doing it now and both sides are fighting it now when that simply isn’t an accurate reflection of reality.
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@Barhandar  
Just so you know, the /mlp/ threads have had a constant inflow of new users popping into discussions, and very glaringly trying to defuse the situation (‘‘we did it guys we can go home now :)’’) or to start doxxing people like they evil 4chins they were,Yarr harr and a bottle o cum.  
All very obviously from derpi, all deaf as a doorknob, all very badly trying to start shit. I don’t deny some board folk started shit for shits and giggles, but the side trying to do harm is overwhelming not from our side of the field. Or far rights, or whatever.
 
Would be annoying if they weren’t so bad at it and mods weren’t deleting their posts and all replies mercilessly. It’s more funny as it is.
Barhandar
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@Zatss  
That is true. I can’t recall any sites that were taken over by “ze skurry nutsees”, and since I am only interested in politics when it starts to threaten me, this means that either I somehow avoided all sites that became toxic hellpits to nazism, or all the sites that became toxic hellpits and I have left them were because of “”“liberal””” corruption.  
Not promotion of white supremacism, or antisemitism, or anything unique to actual NSDAP, but hate and ostracization of everyone who doesn’t share your opinion, done in the name of “acceptance” and “progressiveness”. Being silenced because you dared to disagree with the administration/mob’s position. “If you don’t accept [someone spewing vile shit and nothing else] you’re intolerant and should leave uwu✿”.
Barhandar
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Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends
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@Cammera  
Hilarious.
 
Remember, if you do something like this, it looks like that you have no reasonable arguments left and are grasping for straws, reduced to false-flagging. People doing this are compromising their own position - or trying to compromise their opponent’s position through said false flagging. Don’t do that.  
@Background Pony #BE3C  
Not seeing a nazi takeover in it. A bunch of conservative assholes, yes, a bunch of apolitical assholes just trying to start shit and attack people, actual nazis, yes, a takeover of a site, lol no. Also, while pride month is obnoxious and can easily promote exactly this thing as pushback, they’re going way too far in this and won’t accomplish anything but personal satisfaction of “sticking it to de gheys” and shitting up the net.
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