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It is highly disingenuous to call “ACAB” an ideology, or to broadly say “communism”.
 
ACAB is a slogan used by a movement/organization and as it tars entire groups of people it’s roughly equivalent to certain far-right slogans you presumably abhor. One could better avoid semantics by simply saying “far-left” but evidence has already been posted about how BLM (the organization, not the statement as apparently a distinction keeps being drawn) has overtly Marxist leadership. I’m pretty sure that if an organization was pushing a slogan around and one of its top leaders had said “I think Hitler’s a pretty cool guy” the treatment would be very different here.
 
I believe it’s a slippery slope to assume we’ll ban some unknown future thing there is outrage over
 
You can’t call something a “slippery slope” and assume that’s an argument and if anything it indicates that perhaps the “slippery slope” is less of a fallacy then people thought. The administration of the site has taken a procedurally stricter stance in banning edgy or political content it disagrees with. In the space of a few weeks we moved from “images downplaying BLM will be deleted” to a permanent “Nazi pictures that are cool or cute will be deleted.” This slope is indeed very slippery and I don’t see the site slowing in its sliding.
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Yeah, but that wouldn’t matter unless someone was reuploading old art with better resolutions or higher quality.
 
Is someone doing that?
 
Update, no … all the oc:aryanne images deleted before the rule change going back a month or more are all artist takedowns or unauthorized edits. I don’t see any recently reuploaded images in the deletions.
 
It might be artist takedowns of older images, as I mentioned before.
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It “not” being an ideology isn’t really relevant compared to it being extremely prejudiced and having already resulted in plenty of hostility and assault. If you want “the ideology” that espouses it, there is Black Lives Matter the movement, and as far as I know it is not being banned - it is being actively promoted and equated with black lives matter the statement (the statement which should be self-evident - your skin color or any other birth conditions should be irrelevant to how much you matter), it’s pretty much the same as equating “being against animal abuse” and PETA, or “being supportive of people with autism” and Autism Speaks, and which BLM the organization is actively exploiting to silence dissent, divide and insularize people, and enforce its racist views on non-racial problems.  
Oh and the previous time BLM was relevant they explicitly wrote into their rules that jews aren’t allowed in their organization.
 
Note that according to Israel itself as the foremost source on jewness, it’s inherited through female side only; while I don’t know their actual stance on “jewish-race jew female marries a black man and bears children”, by that logic said children will be black (though most likely brown, exaggerate by few generations for true black) and jew.  
Therefore, the only possible reason to exclude jew membership specifically is antisemitism, a prejudice.  
Again I believe it’s a slippery slope to assume we’ll ban some unknown future thing there is outrage over; Nazism is a direct problem for Rule 0’s prohibition on prejudice.
 
You have two cases of banning outrage-y things already under your belt, namely images “bashing” BLM and images “promoting” nazis. The decision-making process is unchanged. The site staff are the same people. Slippery slope is not always a fallacy.  
If by “communism”, you mean “Stalinism” rather than the opponent of capitalism, then it’s a bit iffy, as to my knowledge Stalinism was big on killing people and some of that was motivated by race, religion, sexuality, etc.
It is being disingenious to deny all the crimes done in the name of “communism” all over the world and limit it only to Stalin’s dictatorship - as if that was the only dictator borne out of communism and not what happened every time so far.  
I mean the genocide of Uyghurs China is currently performing as well its general anti-everyone-else bent, as well as communism itself’s prejudice agaist everyone who isn’t working class, including bourgeois and big businesses (ironically, given NSDAP also opposed bourgeois and big biz)
 
@John Sheppard  
Pretty sure it symbolizes resistance/unity in general; moreso since it’s been used by literally entire spectrum now (communists, black panthers, american nazis, and now BLM).
 
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Ironic but accurate.
 
@John Sheppard  
You really should provide a source for that. While I know for a fact that this is accurate, I don’t have the links to her statement about this, or aforementioned previous-time-when-BLM-publicly-admitted-to-being-prejudiced-against-jews-specifically, on hand.
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An earlier post here claims it was 2992 and became 2990, although I’m uncertain how it would’ve gone down by 2. I restored an old image that was mistakenly deleted for unrelated reasons a few years ago, bringing it to 2991. It appears, by the way, that deleted Aryanne images are mostly due to artist-related reasons.
 
@John Sheppard  
I don’t know what the fist has to do with the “ACAB” slogan. Even if its origins and association with “ACAB” are true, it seems a very tenuous connection to say that this makes “ACAB” not okay, rather than just the fist itself, if even that.  
@John Sheppard  
A person’s anti-semitism does not necessarily taint a movement they founded. Nazism is a problem because its core tenets involve prejudice, not because Hitler himself was such.
 
@Background Pony #D37B  
If I am understanding this right, you are saying Marxism is prejudicial in nature. I don’t think that makes any sense
 
@Barhandar  
Nazism’s core tenets involve prejudice. This is not true for Black Lives Matter. As for slippery slope, the problem is when you go outside what the evidence supports; at issue was whether we’d ban people for “being” evil, which makes no sense.  
Grouping every single communist regime together is…meaningless. It would be like grouping all capitalist, or monarchist, or religious things together. Nazism is very particular; it is only equivalent to use Stalinism or Maoism specifically for comparison.
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There were also two newly uploaded oc:aryanne images this afternoon that were both deleted. If the people getting those total counts didn’t search with a date range then they might be seeing those two images. Anyway, I’m done for now but will do some more takedowns for artists tomorrow, so that number will probably change again.
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>more high ground about politics  
Isn’t that what /mlp/ is doing, right now?
 
Let me make something clear: I hate everyone in this thread. People thinking this is some sort of a government trying to hold welfare queens accountable for their Discord shitposts. People with subhuman intelligence trying to argue >freeze peach and throwing “IQ” around like they scored high in it. I say >rent free to all of you.
 
You stirred this shit up with your incompetence. The mods here deleting posts they don’t like with impunity, /mlp/ jannies doing the same shit with posts that aren’t about kissing Aryanne’s ass, and yet somehow both groups think they’re sitting on a moral high ground. I can’t browse the catalog without some mouth breather spamming The Atlantic article like it’s a race war. I can’t fap to pony pics without some moron lacking a sense for deescalation posting very pointed BLM shit like it’s going to make the reichfugees stop being retarded.
 
I am fucking glad that Aryanne shit is being looked at and potentially getting the axe. Cry bitch tears, /mlpol/. But YOU, derpi staff, handled this with such retardation that I am happy to say that you deserve the flak you’re getting right now.
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I don’t know what the fist has to do with the “ACAB” slogan. Even if its origins and association with “ACAB” are true, it seems a very tenuous connection to say that this makes “ACAB” not okay, rather than just the fist itself, if even that.
 
I’d argue that it’s just a red flag. The same standard ought to applied to groups which have the Roman salute. Although it (as the name suggests) has been used in innumerable occasions since Roman times and even in American classrooms, a contemporary political movement that uses it is immediately flagged as neo-nazi.  
If I am understanding this right, you are saying Marxism is prejudicial in nature. I don’t think that makes any sense
 
I’m not here to argue political definitions but yes, Marxism’s core tenets carry a doctrine of hate. If you are not affiliated with the revolution or with the “proletariat” (the actual definition of an oppressed group keeps changing) you are considered an outsider to be forced to comply.
 
This is not true for Black Lives Matter.
 
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This is why the site should never have involved itself in politics in the first place. It’s impossible to argue that affiliating with an extremist political group is a bad idea without politically pointing out why it’s extremist. It’s an involved and detailed discussion that isn’t pony-related in the least. But yes, BLM as an organization is very, very racist. As for evidence, DB’s history of sudden political diktats and the route other community-driven sites have gone down indicate that wrongthink will be banned sooner rather than later.
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Nazism’s core tenets involve prejudice. This is not true for Black Lives Matter.
 
Again: literally antisemitic (and anti-cop). There was no good reason to exclude jews by name, as opposed to blanket “this organization is for black people and only black people can be members”, which is, while still racist, perfectly good reason.  
Additionally Patrisse Cullors does decide, and hence represent, what BLM is about, being one of the founders. And she is absolutely about anti-cop (as per above), antisemitism, misandry and anti-white.  
Nazism is a problem because its core tenets involve prejudice, not because Hitler himself was such.
 
Hitler re-founded NSDAP in his image. His prejudiced beliefs are nazi prejudiced beliefs. Your point is not valid.
 
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Note that Nazi salute is only half of the Roman salute, which involved putting the fist over the heart first before extending the arm.
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Prejudice? You wanna talk about Prejudice? Alright….Right now New York State is letting BLM and Antifa run rampant and do whatever they want. Meanwhile Jewish Communities are under Lock and Chain and under constant threat and attacks by not only BLM but the Government of New York itself, as it took sides with BLM and is now enforcing Unconstitutional Edicts against Jewish Neighbourhoods. You wanna talk about Prejudice?
 
My Jewish Neighbours are being treated like animals….they cant even go to parks with their children, worship or mourn their dead… but BLM can destroy their businesses and private property, and the State is allowing it. I dont know about you…but I’ve read Krystallnacht…and the people you are supporting remind me of a certain group in that story.. https://i.imgur.com/xVPCWWK.png
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@Background Pony #D37B  
There’s a distinction between making people comply with political goals and prejudice. What part of Marxism is prejudicial? I don’t recall Marx ever saying that certain races or sexualities or whatnot are inferior.  
As for BLM, simply being “extremist” is not what Rule 0 cares about; the problem is about treating people as inferior based on certain characteristics like what they look like. What part of Black Lives Matter says that you need to treat people prejudicially? And again, we are not talking about the results of it, only what the ideology says.  
It feels in general as if you are coming up with your own ideas about the standards we set, which are not what we actually set.
 
@Barhandar  
The point with Hitler is that his personal beliefs are not the reason for there being a problem. It is the beliefs of the actual ideology that matter. While in his case, the latter come from the former, if the former had changed (like if Hitler recanted on anti-semitism later on) without the latter changing, it would still be a problem.
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“What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. … Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man—and turns them into commodities. … The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. … The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.” - Karl Marx 1844
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I don’t recall Marx ever saying that certain races or sexualities or whatnot are inferior.
 
Marx was very much a self-hating Jew and the term “the Jewish Question” was used very frequently in Marxist circles because of associations between Jews and money. But even if you were right it’s not a good hill to die on, because I do not consider a radical egalitarian responsible for death and destruction to be morally superior.  
What part of Black Lives Matter says that you need to treat people prejudicially?
 
It inherently is prejudicial because it makes police brutality a purely racial issue when every race suffers from it. It is prejudicial because it blames “white people” and advocates that they be treated differently, not just in economic terms but in such open acts as kneeling in submission. If a “white advocacy” group did the reverse then it would be condemned outright and completely barred from demonstrating, yet people not supporting BLM are considered “racist.” What do you hope to accomplish with your apologetics?
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@John Sheppard  
As established earlier, the founder of an ideology’s personal beliefs are not themselves relevant, only what actually is in the ideology is. If we had to tie back to the personal founder of everything, then the American flag itself would be disallowed (and pretty much every flag in the world). The American flag however is not taken to literally mean whatever George Washington thought about black people, but a set of ideals about how to govern.  
On the flipside, if the most pure saint ever creates an ideology based around murdering white people, we wouldn’t want its symbols around just because Mr. pure saint of pureness founded it.
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