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You know, its really hard to argue with someone who deliberately ignores the topic what is being talked about.
 
Then Let see:
 
How would you react in the following cases:
  • you were raped as a child, come to this site and see thousands of pictures portraying rape and childporn (just with anthro creatures: funny ears, large eyes and a tail)
  • your grandfather were killed by nazis or something, come to this site and see thousands of pictures portraying “lol nazi stuff is funny”
Nice moral stand. But the mods will tell me to use filter and I move on from it or I won’t bother being on the site in the first place. That is know for archiving many fuck up things.
 
fully computer generated 100% life like child porn, which is motion captured from adult persons. Does that one have a victim?
No. It generated by a computer and motion captured from adults. As one person say, “it definitely messed up.” however, their was no actual real child abuse/victim from the process of doing so.
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@Hisexpliciteditor  
Sounds to me like you are literally defending child porn just because its in an “abstract form” and there is no clear victim.
 
And you completely missed the point of the examples I wrote. Hint hint, the example was the parallelism between the current dumpster fire and cp/rape. There is more than enough fuel on that pile of garbage that it will soon self ignite.
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@Hisexpliciteditor
Sounds to me like you are literally defending child porn just because its in an “abstract form” and there is no clear victim.
 
What’s the problem with that? What’s wrong with child porn if there isn’t an actual child being harmed? The criminality of child porn is entirely predicated on the fact that there is a child abused in the situation, so the case of a 100% accurate machine recreation has nothing to do with the generally agreed-upon reason for it being wrong.
 
Victimless crimes like the given hypothetical are an utter cancer for precedent.
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@Background Pony #500D  
@Hisexpliciteditor
 
Since you two are seemingly so far down in your basement thinking that “just because I only look at it must not be a crime, it did not involved actual children” and that only the west world exists (and that is only the USA):  
Here is a curt case from the US. Guy was facing 15 years in prison (but ended up with only 6 months after pleading guilty) for owning drawn “child porn”.  
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/564/996/1407869/  
This is clearly a “utter cancer for precedent” as you said it. But it is a precedent.
 
Here is another one (ok this is outside of the US so technically this guy went to explore the wilderness):  
https://www.t-ono.net/Anime-News/U.S.-Man-Arrested-in-Canada-for-Possession-and-Importation-of-Manga.html
 
>twitter TOS as an example  
Who the fuck cares?  
Can twitter itself put me in prison? No.  
Can the justice system? Yes.  
I rather listen to the second one.
 
Just because someone is posting CP to twitter does that mean its is OK in the eye of the justice system.
 
I’m not saying derpi should remove all CP like porn. I’m saying its a barrel loaded with gunpowder and people might get burnt. When a biased US media will do an article on this it wont say “users of derpibooru” uploaded CP, but will say that derpibooru hosts CP.
Background Pony #E935
Just because someone is posting CP to twitter does that mean its is OK in the eye of the justice system.
 
  • This was meant to be a rhetorical question.
     
    Just because someone is posting CP to twitter, does that mean its is OK in the eye of the justice system?
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Since you two are seemingly so far down in your basement thinking that “just because I only look at it must not be a crime, it did not involved actual children” and that only the west world exists (and that is only the USA):
Here is a curt case from the US. Guy was facing 15 years in prison (but ended up with only 6 months after pleading guilty) for owning drawn “child porn”.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp2/564/996/1407869/
This is clearly a “utter cancer for precedent” as you said it. But it is a precedent.
Here is another one (ok this is outside of the US so technically this guy went to explore the wilderness):
https://www.t-ono.net/Anime-News/U.S.-Man-Arrested-in-Canada-for-Possession-and-Importation-of-Manga.html
Those examples are irrelevant to Derpibooru because this type of content is already banned here, read the rules:  
Do not upload artwork of characters in sexual depictions or scenarios who look underage and look human or human-like.
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Guess that slippery slope’s real after all. While the bestiality charge is normal against any sort of fur fetish site, the foalcon thing really is going to bring pressure on this place. I also don’t think nuking the foalcon tag will be the end of it.
 
Whether or not news articles should affect the mod teams, fact is the new policy was rolled out after that atlantic article was published so they are responsive to media pressure. And if a nation’s most read news site is publishing this, there’s real pressure on here to change things up.
 
Anyone who thought they were simply going to be able to stop at the nazi tag is fooling themselves.
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@NamelessNP  
True but that was mostly just banter insult talk from other random people online, not official big news sites saying this stuff.
 
Besides, the admin’s seeming policy change in response to the atlantic piece opens the door to future changes when identical articles get written on other controversial content on here.
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@Background Pony #02C8  
It wasn’t changed in response to the Atlantic piece, that just was forcing their hand via opportunity to virtue signal harder. TSP was spewing vitriol about “nazis” for over a year, nazi-banning change to rule 5 was actually added five months ago* and nobody just cared/implemented it/noticed, et cetera.
 
 
  • Go here and search for “Do not upload any content that contains hate speech or nazi propaganda. This includes content that promotes nazi ideals, and content that promotes hatred and/or discrimination against others based on race, gender, or sexuality.”, the rules-revision-log is rather garbage.
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@Background Pony #E935  
It’s a hard read (my country does legal jargon better not gonna lie) but it looks like foal porn is indeed illegal in the US. He got punished with any prosecution under subsections 1466A(a) (2) and (b) (2) as to which the motion is granted.  
1466A(a)(2): depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
1466A(b)(2): lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
The min/max punishment for breaking these section is listed in 2252A(b)(1)  
It only discriminates whether or not it appears to be a minor and
It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.
The guy tried to argue that  
Finally, Defendant contends the facts as alleged do not support an indictment for violations of 18 U.S.C. *1009 §§ 1466A(a) and (b), 1461, and 2. Defendant argues the materials at issue have serious literary and artistic value and thus are not obscene. Defendant contends the materials seized from him were professionally produced Japanese comic books, and the drawings in question were created by accomplished artists and are accompanied by narrative text. Defendant asserts the comic books at issue are widely and legally available to the public in Japan, and that while some of the images in his possession may be deemed objectionable for certain readers, they nevertheless represent serious art by talented and skilled professionals, and as such, the cartons and drawings are not obscene.
(To which the jury ruled: lol no.)  
So I’m assuming he had those lolipop manga where they go ”uff arg daddy more cream” (not that I know anything about that)
 
Not gonna lie bruh, you are right. The only thing stopping the FBI to raid the booru is a jury deciding this is a minor. And lets not pretend that she isn’t a child. She is.  
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Still no victim. Karen law approved by brown nose cucked libtards “”“because anime causes violence.””” fucking puritans trying to take a moral stand, I bet all of them literally doodle their own kids and are just pretending to be offedend
Background Pony #E935
Derpi is hosted in Germany/France
 
Hm, I always assumed its in the US, and it is only fast for us in the EU because of Cloudflare. I was wrong then.  
Sad panda was nuked recently and that was in the EU (Netherlands IIRC).
 
that just was forcing their hand via opportunity
 
From the chat logs I would not say forcing, but it was sure used as an excuse to light the fire properly.
Background Pony #B7F3
Not gonna lie bruh, you are right. The only thing stopping the FBI to raid the booru is a jury deciding this is a minor.
Did you miss that part of law that defines a “person”, “child” and “individual” as being of homo sapiens species? I don’t think ponies are homo sapiens.
 
@Hisexpliciteditor  
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@Background Pony #B7F3  
That’s us law though. Derpi’s hosted in europe. The fbi wouldn’t raid this place but whatever the law enforcement equivelant over there would be the ones to shut it down. Espscially if they ever try to go after the eqg porn around here since everyone there’s in high school.
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@Background Pony #B7F3  
I did not, the article 1466 expecifically says: including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts an image that is, or appears to be (a minor)  
Appears to be being the key, if a jury of peers rule that Applebloom is enough of a minor she becomes a minor. We are in clown world too so it’s not off the charts at all. All it takes is a fake article with fake outrage with boomers on the jury and a strawman to crucify.  
(edit but yes of course it turns out the booru isn’t hosted in the US)
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@Dsiak  
Minor is defined as a person under the age of 18. So for something to be able to appear to be a minor it must also apear to be of homo sapiens species.
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