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Poll results: Do you think the current policy is where it needs to be?

The current policy is where it needs to be
40.51% 64 votes
The current policy did not go far enough
29.11% 46 votes
The current policy has gone too far
25.32% 40 votes
Something else? (Mention it below)
5.06% 8 votes

Poll ended with 158 votes.

Background Pony #1F4D
@The Smiling Pony
Hey as said, you should just replace him with an AI, would fit the site and its state. Anyhow will you delete the as said by the uploader himself artist-trained LORA sloped picture? Will that guy get a ban? Or do you just get those for not playing along with Moderators Power-trip minigames?
Background Pony #1F4D
Looking at the guys profile he has 127 pictures and most if not all are made with a LORA or multiple version mimicking assasin monkeys stuff. Will those pics stay up? Do I have to report every single one or are you now aware of the issue?
Background Pony #1F4D
@The Smiling Pony
I reported 1 of his pictures. Im asking if I have to report all of them very clearly and deliberately stealing a artists style that contributed to this fandom forever with his actuall work, or if me reporting one and saying so in here, and having these messages read by admin and at least one moderator, will result in someone actually looking into the guys entire “portfolio” on here. I can report every single one if you want but I doubt the mods will be happy about that, and honestly it shouldnt be necesarry.
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Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
Solar Guardian - Refused to surrender in the face of the Lunar rebellion and showed utmost loyalty to the Solar Empire (April Fools 2023).
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IRL 🎠 stallion
@🐴
Bumping my question about AI video and historic jank since a BP with an axe to grind seemingly bumped the thread to the next page.
The Smiling Pony
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Nightmare in the Moon - Had their OC in the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Hero - Went above and beyond for the Solar Deity, drawing from the power of the sun itself to bring balance to the fight against the Lunar Insurrection (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.

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@🐴
The part where I said I wasn’t going to talk about the upcoming policy coming this month was the part where I said I wasn’t going to talk about the upcoming policy coming this month.

never mind, fuck me, policy update will just never happen at this point
Ciaran
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Nightmare in the Moon - Had their OC in the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.

Senior Moderator
君場森生きる
@🐴
If you’re talking about today’s policies and actual images on the site, please report the images you’re talking about being jank ai abominations, and someone will look at it or them.
Ciaran
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Celestial Glory - Helped others get their OC into the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Nightmare in the Moon - Had their OC in the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.

Senior Moderator
君場森生きる
@Shimauma
Yeah, sure - but we can’t promise we’re going to not delete something that we haven’t even seen. I mean, when I follow those links I see pop-ups and offers to this or that, but no “this is a thing that might be uploaded to this site, or ever has been”. So, I don’t even know what the thing is that is being asked if it can be preserved.
If it’s on this site, that makes it a lot easier. Then we can ask; “Does this break our rules?” and “Even if it does break a rule, is it worth preserving for some reason?”
It’s hard to answer a purely speculative “Might we?” question. But if there’s an example, we have something we can talk about and vote on.
-Craft-
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Artist -

@Background Pony #1F4D
Maybe you should actually click that civit link and see the LORA used before fighting these imaginary demons.
https://i.imgur.com/Q1Eqnsv.png
Notice no reference to assasinmonkey or any artist at all for that matter because the entire point of the ‘styles for pony diffusion’ family of models is they don’t replicate any specific artist.
Background Pony #1F4D
@-Craft-
They stopped tagging these with artist names even when trained on specific artists long ago because big artists threathened to sue. So now they use different tags to create a level of “oh it is totally random it looks like this artist, not intended at all”
You can train these things on a dozen pictures and up and Assasin monkey has far more then that. So if Derpys policiy is “we will only delete pictures aping artists styles if we have writen proof by the guy making his computer shit them out that he trained it on them” then yeah, no pictures ever will get deleted
Ciaran
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Nightmare in the Moon - Had their OC in the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.

Senior Moderator
君場森生きる
They stopped tagging these with artist names even when trained on specific artists long ago because big artists threathened to sue.
Thank you for finally reporting some images. Although, your reports are completely useless. A well formed Rule #1 report should at the very least include the name of the artist whose work you believe is being emulated or whose copyright is being violated, and ideally should include an example of WHY you believe this, whether it’s a link to the image that was traced, or images by the artist that have similar characteristics to the image you reported.
Just reporting any random image for Rule #1 for the reason “You know what this report is about” or “doing your job for you” is … seriously, stop that.
If you’re going to report an image for Rule #1, provide the documentation that supports your claim. Tell us WHO you think is being emulated, and show us WHY you think that is happening.
… if Derpys policiy is “we will only delete pictures aping artists styles if we have writen proof by the guy making his computer shit them out that he trained it on them” then yeah, no pictures ever will get deleted
We delete ai generated images for Rule #1 if they look like they are emulating an artist’s style. We’ve deleted 11 such images in just the last couple of weeks, including banning the prompters when they won’t stop.
From Rule #1:
• Do not use AI to emulate an artist’s personal style without clear approval from the artist … Unintentional “style copying” due to model biases may be deleted after review.
But you have never provided even a SINGLE example of someone’s style being emulated. You just keep complaining that LoRAs exist.

2LDR: Someone using Pony Diffusion V6 XL or the Styles For Pony Diffusion V6 XL LoRA is not “proof of art theft”

The Smiling Pony
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Celestial Glory - Helped others get their OC into the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Nightmare in the Moon - Had their OC in the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Hero - Went above and beyond for the Solar Deity, drawing from the power of the sun itself to bring balance to the fight against the Lunar Insurrection (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.

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They stopped tagging these with artist names even when trained on specific artists long ago because big artists threathened to sue.
You just made that up. Cool.
  1. This specific lora’s first versions came out well before there was drama about style loras, and was always “generic styles” intentionally meant to not copy specific artists. How that gets used is a different matter.
  2. CivitAI isn’t afraid of getting sued over this, its users definitely aren’t, loras and models explicitly copying specific artists still get uploaded daily, and there’ve also always been loras that make it a point to not do that and just offer generic “cartoonish, 90s anime, realistic” etc. mixes that don’t match anyone.
Derpys policiy…
The policy doesn’t care about the techniques used, just the result.
That said we don’t appreciate people lying to push the scales one way or the other; a lot of time has been spent tracking down images on other sites to get prompts or PNG chunks, asking the prompters what they did, and even asking potentially affected artists what their own opinion is. Many have been banned for ignoring the rules, hiding it, or just lying, never mind images deleted. Your malcontent reeing is based on some fantasy of your own concoction and does nothing to help your position.

Big props to whoever resurfaced this thread ~2 weeks before we were going to update things, cheers.
Background Pony #1F4D
Okay, now im really curious what a example of style-theft would be then? What level of similarity does it have to have? Please enlighten me and show me at what level you consider it apign a style. Does it have to be a replica of a exact image?
Ciaran
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Nightmare in the Moon - Had their OC in the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.

Senior Moderator
君場森生きる
@Background Pony #1F4D
Honestly, I can’t on this site. Every one of those that I’m aware of has been deleted.
Let me see if I can find something on another site to link to …
Ok, here’s a super easy one (redirect to explicit image on e6ai) They uploaded it here, it was almost immediately reported for emulating Twisted Scarlett’s style.
That report included the image being reported, the artist whose style the reporter believed was being emulated, and it was easy to find matches between the ai generated image and the artists’ styles.
Note: This is an exceptionally obvious example. Others are less obvious.
But - as has repeatedly been said by others on staff - we look at the result. If the resulting image is not plausibly emulating an artist’s style, it’s not plausibly emulating that artist’s style.
Someone simply using a LoRA - especially a LoRA like Styles for Pony Diffusion V6 XL - is not in and of itself proof of a Rule #1 violation.
Background Pony #1F4D
So the “~2 weeks before updating the policy” is now 2 months ago. Any news on that?
The Smiling Pony
Cutest Little Devil - Celebrated the 14th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Rainbow Rocks 10th Anniversary: Sonata Dusk - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of EQG Rainbow Rocks!
Celestial Glory - Helped others get their OC into the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Nightmare in the Moon - Had their OC in the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Hero - Went above and beyond for the Solar Deity, drawing from the power of the sun itself to bring balance to the fight against the Lunar Insurrection (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.

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@Background Pony #1F4D
The exact moment I give another estimate is the same moment some other external thing happens that pushes it back so I’m just tired of it after the dozenth time I’ve given people dates. Just assume never ever at this point.
Background Pony #3B82
@🐴
Good question. There are not many of them, so I guess preserving them as artifacts is the best move. In some cases this jank is what makes the image better. Example:

@Background Pony #1F4D
When comparing to assasinmonkey’s pics, the style seems different; both details like fur texture and larger features like muzzle shape (assasinmonkey paints the upper muzzle half as more protruding, especially the nose).
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Background Pony #3B82
@Shimauma
To me it’s not obviously 90% assasinmonkey. Head shape is different, ears are different, muzzle is different… I tried to find something that is very similar and it’s mostly eyes and painterly composition/shading/palette. Their bodies seem more reminescent of, e.g., Koviry.
Anyway, this style obviously isn’t trained just on pony art and has a lot of photographic, cartoon whatever Dreamworks/Pixar movies are called in English (eyes again) and furry influence.
LemonDrop
Duckinator - Same nonsensical quacks in every pond
Nightmare in the Moon - Had their OC in the 2024 Derpibooru Collab.
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Lunar Guardian - Earned a place among the ranks of the most loyal New Lunar Republic soldiers (April Fools 2023).
Crystal Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Ten years of changes - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of MLP:FiM!
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition

C++ Crazed
It’s always funny when sites try to introduce arbitrary restrictions on complex problems like this and then struggle with defining them. Furaffinity is struggling with a similar issue currently and this notion of needing to set a line between what is and isn’t fine in terms of artistic stylistic influence on AI is a similarly infinitely complex problem due to how subjective it is.
I think any time that happens it’s just a good sign that your restriction is not based really on anything reasonable, in this case trying to limit what art can be stylistically is just nonsense. Artists do not “own” their artstyle and saying someone else cannot use it (be it human or AI) is just not reasonable because it’s impossible to quantify such things (since every artist’s artstyle is based on many other artists’ just like how AI works). Much easier to just say anything goes, which is how the rest of the world functions (not even copyright laws recognize art style as intellectual property).
Guess if you like moderation work though then it’s the perfect thing to try and tackle lol, not how I’d run a site though :^)
Background Pony #9196
It’s always funny when sites try to introduce arbitrary restrictions on complex problems like this and then struggle with defining them. Furaffinity is struggling with a similar issue currently and this notion of needing to set a line between what is and isn’t fine in terms of artistic stylistic influence on AI is a similarly infinitely complex problem due to how subjective it is.
Which is why the best course of action remains an unequivocal and absolute ban on anything generated or assisted by machine learning. That solves all the problems rather effectively.
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