A proof that Nazi weren't being promoted or getting pupular on this site!

@Background Pony #75B5  

 
Please read the opening post again. It is literal proof that if anything, art that references Nazis on the site has been going down over the last four years. If your claim was true, the amount of art would be going up.

@Background Pony #0B7A
 
I feel like that person is just gonna ignore any reasoning that doesn’t support their views.

@Background Pony #0B7A
 
In this specific case, I feel like it’s because as a booru, the art comes from all over the internet and not necessarily just from members here. It’s possible that nazi-promoting imagery in general has been going down - including Aryanne - as a reflection of the fandom and culture at large showing more sensitivity to how “ironic racism” can still be hurtful.
 
If anything, I think it is this shift in perspective precisely that led to the calls to finally take Aryanne down. It’s not unlike - say - finally removing Confederate monuments from a public courthouse. Society got less sympathetic to the Confederacy year after year, until finally, people were like, “Hey, maybe that doesn’t belong here anymore.”
 
That’s my take on it, anyway.
 
@Background Pony #896E
 
I’ll leave it up to you as to whether I did that here. Hmph.

@Background Pony #75B5  
… Didn’t they move on from Confederate statues to Lincoln and Washington?

@Background Pony #0DD8  
I guess Lincoln just doesn’t belong there anymore.

@Background Pony #0B7A  
That damned racist, freeing those slaves…

@Background Pony #75B5
 
Now you’re comparing Aryanne arts without any bad context to symbolics and memorials of Nazi and their actions?
 
Wow…. I didn’t know that a ponified generic nazi girl (being a fantasy or fetish for some people) could be such an important figure for Nazi ideology and real world neo-Nazi movement!
 
You might not understand it, but believe me, neo-Nazi do NOT care about this horse’s arts on this site. Like.. AT ALL. XD
 
I just seems very logical to me, that they wouldn’t even care either way. Should be obvious.

@Background Pony #0DD8  
Most people aren’t calling for that, but I mean, you can use individual examples to delegitimize the anti-Confederate movement if you’d like. I think it’s a bad-faith argument.

@Background Pony #75B5  
cept of course those “individual examples” are getting larger and more ridiculous as days go by.

@ShouldBeDrawing  
It still deosn’t delegitimize getting rid of the Confederate monuments. As a nation, we ought to remove them and move forward.

@Background Pony #75B5  
I’d disagree as history erasure is one way to repeat history. And I’d kinda be against removing statues in memorial to the dead.

The methodology is pretty cringe because all it does is show how many Nazi images there are relative to the new images added to the site. That says nothing of their popularity. You could’ve instead brought up that the majority of art doesn’t get that many favorites or upvotes and is frequently low effort meme content or beginner art, which imo is a better argument.
 
Also, I fucking adore how quickly this conversation turned into RL “culture war” bullshit, lol.

@ShouldBeDrawing  
“history erasure” is disingenuous
 
Moving the statues to a museum still allows them to exist; just not on public land where they’re tacitly endorsed by the country.
 
Also, if every statue ever stopped existing, history wouldn’t be erased. We have history books and documents that are far more valuable to our understanding of history than monuments that were largely made in the 20th century as a “fuck you” to the Civil Rights Movement, decades after all of these Confederates died.

@ShouldBeDrawing
 
Exactly.
 
 
@Background Pony #75B5
 
So, you’d also think it’s a good idea to eventually forget all about Nazi and what they did, how many people it killed, just because you’re afraid it could influence some people?
 
It’d say that it would be both disrespectful, and irresponsible (because than the history could be repeated if people won’t learn on the mistakes from their past)

@Background Pony #896E
 
Again, this is disingenuous.
 
Removing artwork that trivializes nazism isn’t the same thing as “erasing history.” History books and historical documents still exist. I promise you, Aryanne is not the thin string upon which our cultural memory of the Nazis hinges.
 
Case in point, Germany censors anything remotely pro-Nazi or even most depictions of Nazism in media. But they sure as hell haven’t “forgotten Nazism.” They teach about the horrors of the Holocaust in depth, and go so far as to ban Holocaust denial. Every citizen of Germany knows exactly what happened, despite their strict embargo on nazi-inspired media.

>The statue of Lincoln and the slave in Lincoln Park gets removed  
>They tried to stop them  
>But it’s too late  
>The history is being erased  
>Kids in school check their textbooks and the name “Lincoln” is starting to fade  
>The historians panic  
>They run to the library to find the books  
>But the building is already on fire  
>The historian wades through the burning library  
>Finds the charred remains of a book about American History  
>”The Emancipation Proclamation was signed by “  
>Oh shit  
>What was his name  
>WHAT WAS HIS NAME???

@Background Pony #223E
 
They pull out a five-dollar bill to check, but because the statue fell, now IT HAS NO FACE

@Background Pony #75B5  
WAS IT ALL JUST A DREAM???

Fun fact, actually. During the American Revolution, they melted down a statue of King George and turned it into bullets.
 
…Unfortunately, this made the war much harder since they all forgot who King George was once his statue was gone.

@Background Pony #75B5
 
Aryanne is also not the major thing that keep Nazi and neo-Nazi going in this world!
 
By your logic a lot of fetish arts should be removed then:
 
Snuff / murder art: trivializing murder.  
Rape art: trivializing rape.  
Foalcon art: trivializing you know what.
 
Aryanne is often just a fetish of “wanna have a sex with a fantasy nazi pony creature”, and nothing more.
 
(Edit: by that I meant, that’s how she’s seen by many people who simply like her explicit arts on the site. Other people could like the satire or dark jokes behind her art, some might like to see her suffer. Some could simply see a cute looking pony that has nothing to do with real world nazi stuff).

@Background Pony #896E  
That’s not their argument. They’re arguing that the positive impact of not hosting images that trivialize Nazism outweighs the negative impact of decreasing accessibility to those pictures, not that Aryanne pictures are the sole lynchpin holding the Neo-Nazi movement together.
 
I don’t even agree with that argument, but you are being extremely disingenuous. Especially with the claim that there’s nothing more to Aryanne than a fetish.

@Moonatik
 

 
I guess, you’re right.
 
It’s just this all drama must be really getting to me at this point, and I’m sick and tired of it, and I am angry that this site is being gradually destroyed, and I do see where it all leads: to more censorship of other things.
 
So something like that can slip in among reasonable arguments.  
We are all living biengs, not robots, after all.
 

 
To be fair, I said thats she’s “often” just a fetish (I meant, for majority of peole who like her arts),  
not that she’s “only” a fetish figure in all cases and for all people.
 
And I do know that her arts could be used by pro-nazi people for their purposes.  
But they could use a lot of other things to promote their ideas, so this Aryanne would be just one of many other things they could use for that purpose.
 

 
By the way, Moonatik.
 
Are you aware of the fact (it’s confirmed) that some of those anti-nazi activists already said they aren’t gonna stop with Aryanne and nazi, and they are gonna go for some other porn fetishes to be banned and removed from this site?
 
Because this is the main reason there are people against the removal of Aryanne: because one censhorship, no matter how just it could be, would lead to another, then another.
 
Because there are malicious groups of people, who just want to see Derpibooru burn. That’s all they care about.  
And they are gonna pretend they are doing it for just purposes.
 
Not all anti-nazi people are like that, but there are already enough of them, apparently.

@Background Pony #896E  
I’m very much aware of the anti-foalcon people, and I disagree with them just as much as I disagree with the people who want Nazi, rape, or snuff content banned.
 
As an artist myself I’m very concerned about artistic freedom and as a libertarian socialist I don’t believe that some overseeing authority such as a state or unaccountable administrator should be the arbiter of what (ultimately harmless) content is and isn’t allowed, out of a few select circumstances. Downright hate speech or violent propaganda is one thing, a silly/cute drawing of a Nazi pony is another.

@Moonatik
 
I agree.

@Background Pony #75B5  
Except that, if I understand correctly, Aryanne was meant to be satire, or a critic, to actual neo-Nazis, by banning her you would be achieving exactly the opposite of your goal.
 
None of the nazi tagged images actually depicts nazi behavior, only symbolism, by banning symbolism you’re just glorifying it whereas (despite popular belief), by keeping it out of context you help it to lose it’s significance