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It was not always like this. In ages past it was possible to have a discussion. The two sides in western countries were not as far apart in the past. Then we entered the current era of hyper offensiveness, political correctness and identity politics. Debate is no longer possible on many subjects and any attempts to talk quickly evolves into a metaphorical fecal matter slinging championship in minutes. Hyper toxicity and personal attacks are methods of our time. The subversion of democracy runs deep.
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@silbasa
It was not always like this. In ages past it was possible to have a discussion. The two sides in western countries were not as far apart in the past. Then we entered the current era of hyper offensiveness, political correctness and identity politics. Debate is no longer possible on many subjects and any attempts to talk quickly evolves into a metaphorical fecal matter slinging championship in minutes. Hyper toxicity and personal attacks are methods of our time. The subversion of democracy runs deep.




In respect to the ancient rights and duties of the Zhou dynasty, Qin Shi Huan negotiated an astounding deal to the Chinese feudal aristocracy where they give up much of their feudal privledges in exchange for a meritocratic system of government that would stand for thousands of years, and in which the best of the children of the ancient dukes will rise according to their ability.



Charlemagne, recognizing the lack of moderation in Europe, asserts respect and dignity in the post-Roman landscape to set Europe on the course to modernism at its own pace, within the well respected rules and guidelines he set forth, initiating a thousand years Carolingian Renaissance that will not spill a drop of Lombard blood.



Lord Protector Oliver "Based" Cromwell politely discusses the end of Right of Kings with Charles I, permanently ending the dispute between the Crown and Parliament, and bringing peace to Ireland



The French National Assembly sends King Louis to the time-out corner over a heated gamer moment. Things will be all good and the Bourbon Dynasty will be restored peacefully.



The aftermath of a moderated debate in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania where the Union Army convinces the Confederate Petty-Aristocracy to forego slavery and for Northern Industrialists and finance run the Dixie economy peacefully for fifty years.



Coal Miners preparing to respectfully debate the National Guard, thereby paving the way for the four-hour day, twenty hour week, sixty-nine dollar an hour work plan



In a riveting speech, Lenin convinces the Romanov family to retire to an estate in Siberia so that Russia may become a modern, developed nation.



At a rally in Washington DC, MLK declades, "Live, Laugh, Love" and ends 3,000,000,000 years of racism and colonial exploitation within America, and around the world



Members of the Stonewall Inn Protest movement echo MLK and declare, "Live, Laugh, Love" and end 3,000,000,000 years of sexuality and gender-based discrimination
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And if at any point (regarding any one or more aspect(s) of it), if he is right and your sarcastic response is actually—in any way—the unironic truth, are you gonna complain?
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@AaronMk
I think it's possible that silbasa meant "in recent years, prior to the mid-2010s", and within his own lifetime (i.e. late 80's, 90's 2000's and early 2010's), rather than thorough all of human history, but I could be wrong—although his comments about a time where dialog could exist more easily are actually not that far off, in terms of their accuracy.
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I think it's possible that silbasa meant "in recent years, prior to the mid-2010s", and within his own lifetime (i.e. late 80's, 90's 2000's and early 2010's), rather than thorough all of human history, but I could be wrong—although his comments about a time where dialog could exist more easily are actually not that far off, in terms of their accuracy.

You mean in the years when neoliberalism reigned supreme and Francis Fukuyama hastily predicted "the end of history"?

Did you know that it was in the early 90s that "political correctness" became a mainstream term (when previously it used to be a leftist in-joke)?

Also, if you believe the era of the War on Terror wasn't a polarizing one, then you're either too young to remember or have a poor memory.
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I think it's possible that silbasa meant "in recent years, prior to the mid-2010s", and within his own lifetime (i.e. late 80's, 90's 2000's and early 2010's), rather than thorough all of human history, but I could be wrong—although his comments about a time where dialog could exist more easily are actually not that far off, in terms of their accuracy.




The State of António de Oliveira Salazar continued indefinitely and retook Angola



Air traffic controllers demand slightly more respect. The Reagan presidency obliges and honors the agreement and does not disband the union by force



LA Residents and LA Police and County Sheriffs engage in a community wide water balloon fight after mild disputes arise over a brief rough housing episode involving Rodney King



Russian Democracy is advanced to the supporting applause of America. No tanks were used in this celebration



With international recognition, the US moderates Serbian-Croatian-Bosnian discussions



Ronald Reagan swiftly responds to the AIDS crisis and there totally was not a genocide of the LGB-community as part of the government's purposeful inaction that does not continue until today



We have had appropriate discussions and there is no systemic neglect found



It is impolite to ever say this man lead to the death of millions



This man too



Nothing happened here, no one who lead the nothing was absorbed into the Party.
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@silbasa
Ah yes, before "the left" got "triggered" by Trump and "SJWs" took over with their "woke cancel culture", there was no real political strife and Conservatives repeatedly proved stupid lefists and their crazy beliefs wrong with Facts and Logic.

Meanwhile in America immediately after Obama won the election









And let's not forget that Republicans spent half of Clinton's presidency trying to get him kicked out of office over getting a blowjob and reacted like it was the end of democracy in America that he could remain in office for such a vile offense. Meanwhile allegations of Trump outright boasting about sexual assault on TV, admitting to creeping on naked underage girls, paying prostitutes for sex while married, and coercing foreign nations to make-up dirt against political opponents was all "a nothingburger", "fake news", "liberal tears", "in like with Christian Conservatives values".

Damn those evil leftists!
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So is it safe to wonder if or if not the consensus among you and many others in this thread—regarding silbasa's latest comment—is that aspiring towards making headway on the ability to have a discussion without getting violent over it is ultimately not the way to go, or…?
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The consensus is he's bankrupting the local circus by hoarding all the clown makeup.

Everything is "the left's" fault, every first stone was thrown by "the left", it's "the left" that's lead to the "current climate".

It'd be great if people were better at talking things out and reaching common ground, but that will never be possible so long as people just outright deny reality and paint a picture of the world that never existed to heavily benefit one "side".
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You do realize that just because idiots on one side of the political spectrum are doing stupid shit like that, doesn't mean that the other side of the political spectrum doesn't have any idiots that are doing shit that is really not any better than what you are showing here, right?




…Or is that a fact of which until now, you had just genuinely no idea that it exists, whatsoever?
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You do realize that just because idiots on one side of the political spectrum are doing stupid shit like that, doesn't mean that the other side of the political spectrum doesn't have any idiots that are doing shit that is really not any better than what you are showing here, right?




…Or is that a fact of which until now, you had just genuinely no idea that it exists, whatsoever?


Congratulations on getting the entire point of my post.

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The only reason things seemed to be civil back then was because of moral guardians censoring anything remotely progressive, meaning many people didn't know about the other side.
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@Ereiam
I have yet to see any actual, indisputable evidence that it wasn't—*in certain respects, at least*—more "civil" back then, so maybe what you're saying here would make more sense if such evidence does exist.


(And no, I am not saying such evidence doesn't exist, I am saying that I have yet to see any such evidence, myself, which is why I am not coming to a conclusion on it, yet.)
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