Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

Liz Cheney is set to be removed from her positions amid votes from fellow GOP.
 
Welp. Even the daughter of a former GOP vice president is not immune from having her face eaten by leopards because she didn’t kiss the ring for Trump.

@NitroFury  
Would a retrial even happen?
 
And would it even amount to much?
 
Pretty sure that the majority of America (and the world) all agree that this is a clear cut case of murder/manslaughter, so pretty sure the same verdict would be reached even if a retrial happens.
 
Also trying to find a neutral party over this situation seems a lot harder then it sounds.

@Dustcan
 
We got a parable here in the south that fits this.
 
 
If the farmer falls in the pen, and the hogs are hungry, they’ll eat him all the same.
 
 
We’re seeing that happen in real time.

@Dustcan  
Party of independent thinkers!
 
Can’t wait to hear the local brainlet’s opinion on how it’s the left that enforces uniform thinking and towing the party line without dissent.

I know I’m a bit late on this, yet I think it’s absolutely worth mentioning that Mr. Ted Wheeler, Mayor of Portland, Oregon—a mayor who will ultimately go down in history as being one of the most spineless and cowardly to ever hold public office during their first term—has now finally decided to crack down on Antifa in Portland after essentially 3-4 years of letting them run rampant, with them doing so non-stop continuously over the past 11 months—and with the worst of it occurring between June and November of last year—to basically zero genuine backlash from anyone that wasn’t a conservative, a moderate, or from even a few liberals and people leaning overall left-of-center, like myself, and from even fewer leftists.

@Zincy  
I bet to differ, as I think it’s probably most likely the fault of police unions and the “Blue Wall of Silence”, rather than the very existence of the police/law enforcement, police departments, and the concept of police/law enforcement, themselves.

@Background Pony #94BD  
*beg to differ.

#StopAsianHate
 
What took that so long?
 
Did enough people finally suffer?

@vit  
You and your deeply flawed obsession with so-called “dog whistles” is not going to improve this situation, or any situation that/where you think “dog whistles” are involved in.
 
 
Hell, I’m not even sure that you ever took the time to not assume if something is actually nothing a dog whistle, or not.

@ᏰᎯᎠᎻᎬᎯᏒᎿ  
I don’t know, did anybody say that there needed to be suffering?

@KikkoMan  
They are conservatives. Those opinions are not unusual on that side. I know what they are.

Imagine getting this fucking assmad over JonTron for not being able to fully and properly articulate things that was in his mind 4 years ago.
 
Terminally online zoomers devoid of any capabilities of detecting and understanding nuances—like this literal living parody of a woke teenage zoomer furry—are one of humanity’s current most unnecessary and contemptuous mistakes, right up there with global warming/climate change.

*on his mind

@Background Pony #7E8D  
There’s kind of a big difference between the colour of your skin and the flag you choose to follow, though.
 
 
@Background Pony #7EFA  
Which does raise some questions about the whole adversarial system.

@Background Pony #94BD  
Maybe - but the Blue Wall is arguably baked too deep into the system to remove without tearing it down.

It’s amazing how half-assed everything is left because there’s a new president.
 
It’s a classic hero complex, one person after another trying to clean up the last mess.

@Latecomer  
I think the adversarial system works well. Some details need to be looked at, like pleq bargains, but the core idea that your lawyer should be working to the best of their ability to defend you is a good thing.

@Background Pony #7EFA  
Sure it is, when you think of it as your lawyer defending you”. But when it’s a murderer’s lawyer….
 
(It especially sits poorly with doble jeapardy IMO.)

@Latecomer  
When it’s a murderers lawyer it is also a good thing. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and a murderer should have a lawyer who is dedicated to defending him. If the lawyer doesn’t believe they can do this then they need to recuse themselves.

@Background Pony #7EFA  
“Proven” by what standard, though? If a murderer outright tells their lawyer they did it, and the lawyer works to see them walk away scott free anyway… I can’t see them as being in the service of justice, any more than a prosecutor who tries to convict someone even when they have evidence that proves they didn’t do it.

@Dustcan  

 
Dick Cheney and other “neocons” are loathed by the Republican Party base (and pretty much everyone else) nowadays for their role in creating the Iraq War, and McCarthy is well aware of that. Fealty to Trump is a big part of it, but in this specific case, there’s also some principle there.
 
You have to understand that Trump is seen by a good chunk of conservative voters as a walking repudiation of Bush’s folksy, blunderous establishmentarianism. Anything that can be attached to him is electoral poison except for Lincoln Projectors and a smattering of Sorkinite liberals.

@Dustcan  

 
The GOP is dead, they went from the party of Lincoln to the cult of Trump.

@Latecomer  
If it’s a criminal case the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt, though these standards can change in civil cases or some other situations. We don’t really need hypotheticals for this, we have real life situations. What about the Boston bomber? His attorneys admit he had a role in this crime, something much worae then just murder, but their job is to represent him in court so he gets a fair trial. That is justice, because the law isn’t as clear cut as did someone do it or not do it.

@NitroFury  
They were gonna die eventually.

@NitroFury  
Far from it. A little over 47% of the Americans that voted voted republican. Give it 4 or 8 years or so and they will be back like always. Just like the democrats did this election. While the Trump era is ebbing out rebulican and conservative ideas are still very much alive. Maybe we even are at peak wokeness now and more people wake up and smell the roses?