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Seriously, I tried to find that “Orcs are Black people/POC” argument between the 0:46 to 1:00 myself, but it's only the pictures and nothing else.
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Presidents are indeed required to spend money how congress allots it,


No they're not. They are given a budget by Congress with amounts earmarked for specefic purposes. But as the executive the president can simply not chose to spend money in certain areas as their own way of dictating policy. That is the role of executive orders most often, or in the case of Obama's presidency as he proved: the president can simply order to not do a thing, and use that money elsewhere.

Just not enforce it. That's what the president can do. And do stuff elsewhere with the savings made by doing something else. On this front the president is regarded as being both the most powerful and immediate factor in matters like the drug war: the office can just stop paying for enforcement programs and paramilitary excercises to observe the drug war and then put that excess money into some other function.

Congress can get mad, congress can censure the president. But that has no weight beyond being, "Excuse me, sir!"
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I watched the “Evil Races Are Bad Games Design” video from Extra Credits in its entirety, and I can't find anything controversial.
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I wouldn't necessarily call it controversial, but his solution was morally worse than an all evil race. He purports that's its okay to slaughter any person if they belong to an evil organization, but that assumes that everyone that joins those organizations is inherently evil, which is definitely not the case. It's not that far removed from games about gunning down Muslim terrorists. Some 17 year old could have joined because the organization promised to feed his starving family, but since he's wearing a bad guy suit it's okay to fill him with lead and T-bag his corpse. Why do we need to dehumanize people when we can just have races with inhuman morality (and care not to make them resemble certain human cultures)? In fact, why are we even assuming that human-style morals and ethics are an objective constant anyways?
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What's the Tldw? I didnt watch. What was his solution? In GTA, the players have zero qualms gunning down anybody that looks at them funny. No actually, they get gunned down or ran over regardless. It's all in the whim of the player.

Even IF all the Redshirt are an All-Good race, if you have a killing tool in your hand and the completion of your objective (be it whimsical or obligatory) requires that you go genocide them, you would. That's kinna the idea really. You will literally objectify any npc standing in your way, be they a complex written character or a one-note evil goblin.
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It depends on the evil organisation.

That kind of thinking applies to something like the Iraq war. Where we forced people out of their jobs that paid well and expected capitalism to just swoop in a replace them. Then we basically fired the military down there, gave them no support or supplies. So what you have are angry people who are hungry and they have lots of guns.

Neo-Nazis are all selfish assholes who care only for themselves and happily consistently scam each other. The Capital Riot was nothing but rich shit heads. The KKK grew in popularity in Oregon cause they promised the middle class and upper classes and the cops that they would "stem the tide".
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Claiming that making an evil race in a piece of media is lazy is also a low IQ take. Their is nothing wrong with wanting to tell a story of good triumphing over evil, and having an evil race can be a part of that. It doesn't have to be, but if the point of the story isn't the grey area we normally run into then adding it can needlessly complicate a plot.
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It does become a problem, as someone else said, if you start giving the bad race attributes from another real world civilization. At that point you're playing with fire. Then if you try to make an analogy to a real world group while still retaining the evil race thing you're an idiot and should be removed from the writing room.
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@Natry
I think tbey probably just mean that if you need a "kill on sight" group (which video games do a bit more than most media), organizational is preferable to racial.


@NitroFury
It's obviously controversial with people who like evil races.
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Imo an all-evil race in a non-story driven vidya gaem IS lazy writing. But is ok, since the story is secondary anyway.
Imo it's akin to a placeholder that never gets replaced.

An all-evil race is about as valid a placeholder as any. They're obstacles, das it.
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I love evil race. But I only love em when they're multidimensional, with fleshed out communities, worldviews, philosophy, rituals, mode of beings, etc.

That way, the evil race is harder to be categorized as evil, because the more fleshed out they are, the more likely is the reader to find something they agree / sympathize with, and at that moment, the evil race became closer to the "not so different, you and I" category
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Placeholder. You can replace them with anything else while keeping the same mechanics and it wouldn't make a difference in gameplay. So the decision to make an evil race is all in the aesthetic and theme, really.

I would like to know more about their lore tho. Are they really just a bunch of killing machines? if that's the case then they're literally just meant to be shot at and nothing else.
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Doom Eternal's lore states that demons weren't always evil. They used to just be normal until the Dark Lord tried to achieve immortality and accidentally corrupted them all and the very dimension, creating Hell.
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Yes, and I’m arguing the opposite. Members of an evil organization, even Nazis, are not all immutably evil, and in a story driven game I would prefer an evil race if I wanted to be kill happy.


@tehwatever
If we consider the two options, evil race or Nazis, in a non-story game the evil race is actually the least lazy option. Someone would have to spend the time to design said race. Nazis you can take a regular human model, slap on a swastika, and you’re good to go.
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I just watched the Extra Credits video myself.

It was… Average. The statement they made on how portrayals of orcs can negatively impact POC in real life was REALLY stupid, but aside from that, it wasn't really controversal. It KINDA had good points, but they felt muddled to me.
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I like the RWBY solution: extra dimensional beings of ooze. Got gamers who don't want to fight wolves and bears and are worried the needs of Orcs are just being misrepresented? Simple. Paint the figures glossy weird colors and give them blood red eyes, and even the vegans in your group go after them like freaking maniacs.
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