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No theres been many videos showing it.
 
I’m just wondering about this here and your conclusion on that video.. Last pieces of evidence we watched Chauvin choke him and it was unmistakeable what happened and before that, we had footage when he was escorted in cuffs and we saw no resistance from him then.  
This time, we’re not even seeing what the struggle was about, we’re not even seeing George Floyd in any shot At All, all we’re seeing is a cop struggling to do, something, we don’t even know why he’s struggling or what he’s trying to do, so you’re making assumptions that George Floyd was freaking out.
 
We’re not sure of anything we saw in that footage and like CNN said, the body cam might clue us in on what exactly was happening there, but you know what else though? if they had so much trouble with him in the car, I wonder how they managed to get him out of the car and then on the ground. There are 4 of them, he could’ve been detained by 2 people on both sides and I Think that, all police officers have this thing, called a Taser, don’t they? in case someone is resisting arrest and needs to be detained and unharmed, both things at the same time.
 
 
I’m for playing devil’s advocate when the situation arises, but you seem to me to be going above and beyond to find anything that will lessen the charge of murder for these people.
 
I’d suggest reading this from CNN about the prosecutor and the evidence that is piled on Derek Chauvin.
 
Overall, the complaint lays out a devastating case against Chauvin – though it adds little to the cellphone video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck. The most compelling part of the complaint is the timeline. It notes that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Even more damning, the complaint notes that Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for three full minutes after Floyd stopped moving and nearly two minutes after he apparently “ceas[ed] to breathe or speak.” Another officer even checked Floyd’s wrist for a pulse and said he couldn’t find one – and yet Chauvin still did not immediately move. Those facts alone could establish the intentional conduct necessary for a second-degree murder charge.
 
I don’t think any amount of playing devil’s advocate will absolve them of any of those things there. This shouldn’t go well for Derek Chauvin, even if everything you just said there were to all be true, Not when you look at the actions and charges he’s facing.
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No. They murdered him. But, police dont put people in cuffs and kills them. This feller had a record and resisted. It is not as MSM makes it out to be, something that happened to the best guy in the world just did because they dont like black men. I want the facts. Not political feely wishy wash.
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Gosh, I don’t remember any of them burning things or killing people, do you?
What do you call breaking quarantine, spreading an infectious and contagious disease to healthy people which results in the death of some?
So now in Minneapolis police are shooting people with rubber and pepper bullets just for standing on their porch and looking at the cops. The curfew the police are enforcing requires people to stay off of public property - that is, to stay on their own property. Which the people they’re “lighting up” were doing. Cops are literally going up and down completely tranquil residential streets shooting rubber and pepper bullets at anyone not in their house.
 
Now if this happened to me, my knee jerk response would probably be to fire back, but not with rubber bullets. Total bullshit and I think they could sue the cops for that.
 
 
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Wow. And just like that the situation has hit the fandom. You can bet those who hate bronies are going to be exploiting this ( I’m sure Ghost (TCR) is going to have a field day with this).
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I’d personally suggest that protestors and people covering them should invest in a pair of MCEPS glasses, given that the police are using *ahem* “less-than-lethal” rounds.
 
I’d also suggest they invest in a gun and a box of ammunition too, as things are looking pretty serious in some places. “It’s better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it,” and all that good stuff…
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Oh stop, you know damn well that the looters and rioters don’t represent the protesters, and you conveniently forgot about the efforts protesters have made to prevent more looting, not to mention actively promoting and supporting funding campaigns to get these businesses fixed.
Also those quarantine protesters were raiding federal buildings fully armed with assault rifles and fucking rocket launchers because they couldn’t go to their fucking hairstylist, and police stood by calmly while they were waving their dick extensions in everyone’s face. In comparison, police in many cities aren’t hesitating to use excessive force against these protesters(not rioters, protesters) arresting most of them even if they aren’t doing anything wrong, firing tear gas at news crews doing their job, and rubber bullets at people staying on their porch.
If anything it’s showing where priorities lie
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I love how people some (but very few) still ppl take comic strips on surface level.
 
Them comic strips probably have six to seven layers of irony and metacommentary laced in it, who knows. Artists are a sneaky bunch.
 
For example image above may seem like a criticism of the bias left-wingers have for “rioters” and against “liberators” because that’s what it says on the surface.
 
But if you assume that the artist is level headed and doesn’t believe that anybody “is really actually this black and white in their worldview” then you could say this is a caricature of the critics, commentarors and their arguments. So it’s one layer of irony above the initial appearance.
 
Poe’s Law: A parody of something extreme on the internet is often mistaken for the real thing.
 
Since Poe’s Law was originally meant to roast religion, imma use religious example:
 
I could make fun of Islam by acting 100% muslim to prove how silly Islam is. The problem is that ppl may think I’m promoting Islam.
 
A heavy dose of skepticism when consuming satire is necessary.
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They are organised. They organise publicly, they have Twitter pages, Facebook pages and Discords. They have manuals and manifestos and every thing else. That is not an idea, That is a political movement.
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I don’t know why anybody take political cartoons seriously at all.
There’s the irony. Artists, even comics, can’t make anything without injecting some sort of sincerity into their art. Sometimes they’re hidden behind the more apparent layers.
 
That’s where the issue is. You KNOW that artists are sincere about “something,” so as courtesy, the audience should take seriously what the artist is being serious about. The worst part is that during their performance, what they’re sincere and joking about aren’t very clear–because that’s what comics do, they subvert your expectations.
 
A serious issue may not be what the artist is serious about. Maybe they’re serious about the reaction of ppl on a serious issue, or maybe they’re serious about their own reaction to the reaction of ppl on a serious issue. You gotta just ask them personally when they’re not performing.
 
Off topic I know. I just had to vent it up here, because I still get frustrated by political cartoons.
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Their is no leadership, their is no real membership role. You are Antifa if yoy want to be antifa, as a result someone can be Antifa while not subscribing to a bunch of Antifa shit.
 
 
@tehwatever  
I believe in their sincerity, but I tend to not take them seriously because of the limit of the format and because so many are so low quality “I AM SILLY” comics just meant to appeal to their tribe.
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the protesters should start packing as well; and not just the boogalooterians who are there in solidarity with the protesters.
I’m fairly certain that a bunch of right-wing extremists looking to co-opt the justified frustrations of the African American community to kick start a second civil war in no way qualifies as solidarity.
 
 
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Antifa are scum, but since they aren’t really an organized group I don’t know what this means.
Well what it really means is that Trump wanted someone to blame for all of this (and sic his Attorney General lapdog on). Because despite what he thinks, the US government doesn’t actually have the legal authority to designate a domestic group as a terrorist organization. Their ideology is legally protected by the First Amendment, and declaring them a terrorist organization on that basis would be unconstitutional. It’s why US law mostly reserves the terrorist designation for foreign groups, since they aren’t protected by the constitution.
 
And aside from that, federal law enforcement officials would actually agree with you that, in spite of some activists being highly organized at the local level, most “Antifa” groups are vaguely defined and don’t really have a central leadership, making a designation like that even more difficult to apply.
 
But again, whether they make the designation or not is not really the point. Having a scapegoat, specifically a left leaning scapegoat, is what’s important to Trump here. He and his people have very deliberately avoided discussing the various right-wing extremists who have been involved in recent events, and their exclusive focus on one side ignores a significant and increasingly problematic aspect of what is actually happening.
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