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It’s popularity continues to rise. A pandemic would do that.
 
Considering Trump is against it you would think stumping for it would push some undecided voters to your side. Taking the same stance as your opponent on the issue means voters would have to move down on their list of policy priorities for deciding their choice.
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After China reported the outbreak of a new coronavirus in December, U.S. intelligence agencies repeatedly warned the Trump administration in classified messages about the potentially devastating threat, The Washington Post reported Friday. Yet President Donald Trump largely ignored the warnings and delayed action that might have slowed the spread of the COVID-19 disease, according to the newspaper.
 
All he cared about was his precious Stock Market and re-election.
 
Edit: Trump admits to the threat posed by the outbreak, yet denied it and golfed.
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January 3, 2020: The CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan, China (This fact was revealed publicly later by HHS Secretary Alex Azar.)
January 6, 2020: The CDC issues a travel notice for Wuhan due to the spreading coronavirus.
Note: The Trump campaign claims that this marks the beginning of the federal government disease control experts becoming aware of the virus. It was 10 weeks from this point until the week of March 16 when Trump began to change his tone on the threat.
January 18, 2020: After two weeks of attempts, HHS Secretary Alex Azar finally gets the chance to speak to Trump about the virus. The president redirects the conversation to vaping, according to the Washington Post.
March 18, 2020: Trump signs the executive order to activate the Defense Production Act, but declines to use it. At the White House briefing he is asked about Senator Chuck Schumer’s call to urgently produce medical supplies and ventilators.
Trump responds: “Well we’re going to know whether or not it’s urgent.”
Note: At this point 118 Americans had died from COVID-19.
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Given that the police response time in some parts of the States is “never” due to the outbreak, I would consider that prudent; and not just because the police are under no obligation whatsoever to protect people.
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@Apple Thor  
Trump didn’t defund the CDC, their budget has actually been increasing, Trump’s proposed budget included cuts to the department ut they were not made.
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Since taking office, Trump has…
  • instituted a hiring freeze that caused 700 CDC vacancies
  • disbanded the National Security Council’s and Homeland Security Department’s global health security teams
  • Tom Bossert, who ran the HHS portion of the team, wrote an op-ed today: “The rates will be worse if the disease is not aggressively countered early.”
  • allowed lack of funding to result in CDC cutting back epidemic prevention programs from 49 to only 10 countries
  • attempted to reduce uniformed public health professionals by 40%
  • stopped funding USAID’s zoonotic virus detection program, causing it to collapse
  • caused over 1,600 federal scientists to leave government in two years
  • cut the number of scientific advisory committees by a third
  • recommended $1 billion in budget cuts to CDC’s total funding each year on average
  • successfully cut $500 million from the CDC’s preparedness and response programs
  • recommended $4.3 billion average annual cuts to National Institutes of Health funding
  • successfully transferred $165 million from FEMA to ICE and border patrol
  • proposed cutting USAID’s 2021 budget by $2.3 billion
  • proposed cutting the World Health Organization’s 2021 budget by $58 million, a 47% decrease
  • repeatedly attempted to cut funding for Medicare and Medicaid at home.
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  • instituted a hiring freeze that caused 700 CDC vacancies
     
    Nothing wrong here. This was actually due to a greater reorg in an attempt to better streamline agencies. The CDC had its hands in things it didn’t need to be, same applies to other departments.
     
     
  • disbanded the National Security Council’s and Homeland Security Department’s global health security teams
     
    True, at the time was a fine thing to do, hindsight is 20/20 though and this might have made a difference.
     
     
  • Tom Bossert, who ran the HHS portion of the team, wrote an op-ed today: “The rates will be worse if the disease is not aggressively countered early.”
     
    Ok? I mean I agree with this statement, but I don’t see how this is something Trump has done that is harmful.
     
 
  • allowed lack of funding to result in CDC cutting back epidemic prevention programs from 49 to only 10 countries
     
    Not true. The funding running out was just because the funding allocated was for 5 years. It was due to end but Congress provided funding to them, which is their job.
     
  • attempted to reduce uniformed public health professionals by 40%
     
    The proposal would have reduced the number, yes, and then instituted a reserve corps like others do.
     
 
  • stopped funding USAID’s zoonotic virus detection program, causing it to collapse
     
    Not true. This program was a 10-year program, its originally ending had nothing to do with Trump, it was due to end. It was also extended for 6-months. Do you now give Trump credit for its extension?
     
     
  • caused over 1,600 federal scientists to leave government in two years
     
    How many would be directly related to fighting the coronavirus, and for what reasons did they leave? Without knowing that this point is irrelevent.
     
     
  • cut the number of scientific advisory committees by a third
     
    Same as above. Not saying these things wouldn’t have mattered, only that if they were not related to the pandemic they don’t really count.
     
     
  • recommended $1 billion in budget cuts to CDC’s total funding each year on average
     
    Correct, though none were approved and it could be argued the CDC’s budget should be cut. Obama also pushed for CDC cuts.
     
     
  • successfully cut $500 million from the CDC’s preparedness and response programs
     
    Going to need a source on this, otherwise calling false on it. He may have proposed it, but I’m not aware of these cuts at the CDC.
     
     
  • recommended $4.3 billion average annual cuts to National Institutes of Health funding
     
    Again, proposed cuts, not made.
     
     
  • successfully transferred $165 million from FEMA to ICE and border patrol
     
    Ok, while I disagree with moving it to ICE they are both under DHS and FEMA has said they had enough resources.
     
     
  • proposed cutting USAID’s 2021 budget by $2.3 billion
     
    Again, proposed.
     
  • proposed cutting the World Health Organization’s 2021 budget by $58 million, a 47% decrease
     
    Again Proposed.
     
     
  • repeatedly attempted to cut funding for Medicare and Medicaid at home.
     
    Still this is proposed, not things he has actually done.
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@Violet Rose in The Rain  
“Wow, the CDC’s budget has increased, yet they still screwed up our testing program in the US, and now the pandemic is running rampant. Those libertarians sure are crazy”
 
Stop lying to yourself.
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The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a conveyor belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it’s unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.
Although it takes a trivial amount of effort on the Galloper’s part to make each individual point before skipping on to the next (especially if they cite from a pre-concocted list of Gallop arguments), a refutation of the same Gallop may likely take much longer and require significantly more effort (per the basic principle that it’s always easier to make a mess than to clean it back up again).
The tedium inherent in untangling a Gish Gallop typically allows for very little “creative license” or vivid rhetoric (in deliberate contrast to the exciting point-dashing central to the Galloping), which in turn risks boring the audience or readers, further loosening the refuter’s grip on the crowd.
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But he doesn’t supply states with ventilators, mask and other protective gear or use The Defense Productive Act to force sooner to force private companies to manufacture much needed ventilators and Protective Gear because he feels that its “Socialism” instead choosing wait on the “charity of private companies so those companies can profit off the crisis.
 
Donald Trump refuses to put his business interest aside for the good of the nation because he is a servant to CEOs and wealthy shareholders if that wasn’t obvious enough.
 
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@Apple Thor  
he has sent gear to states. As for the DPA, yes he is not consistent in that respect He is willing to use it for other purposes but was resistant to it up until late March.
Princess Applejack

@Background Pony #83AE  
Yes he sent lots of gear to Florida which also happens to be a key state in his election. He sent supplies to Florida with no fuss and minimum delay. But when it comes to New York all of a sudden Trump is accusing the state of lying and theft. The Pandemic shows how Donald Trump is politicizing the virus for his own ends. Pushing states into bedding wars with not only other countries and themselves but also the Federal Government which is most of the time outbidding the states and then he has the nerve to say “Well States shouldn’t be doing that” It shows how little Trump knows or chooses to know about what is going on inside his own administration. Which leads to two questions.
 
Is Trump that bad at managing his own administration that he is incompetent
 
Or is Trump willingly letting the Federal Government drive up the cost of supplies meaning he is corrupt.
Princess Applejack

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New York needs Ventilators and Protective Equipment. Donald Trump denies, and then refuses to send aid but Florida oddly gets what it wants with little to no problem. Its pretty obvious Trump is using the virus for political means. And sending a medical ship is not going to make up for the lack of supplies New York and many other states are going through. Trump’s horrible response to the pandemic has been proven a disaster and what makes matters worst he still refuses to use the full power of the Defense Production Act when the country really, really, really needs him to use it.
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