Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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Yes there are the slacktivists, but those ones aren't doing anything anyway, nothing good but nothing really bad either (as far as I'm aware in regards to the outbreak). My own concern is the cynical or deliberate lumping in the actual activists with the slacktivists. And also BothSides-ing.


Well if these actual Activists have gone after these Slacktivists, they wouldn't be lumped together. Maybe I would be surprise if an actual Activists have the balls call out these Slacktivists. For now, it's their problem, not mine.
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So how do you all feel about the US and Israel activating their “Doomsday Bunkers”?

I’m admittedly a bit concerned about what’s going on and all these conspiracy theories flying around, as baseless and insane as they may be, don’t help with my nervous nature.
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We're stuck with Trump because of the outdated electoral college where electoral votes wins you the election, instead of having person with the most votes win like a sane country.
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You'd be surprised about how many countries don't elect the winner based on the most votes.

For example in Europe, most systems have people vote for parliament members, and then parliament votes for who to be in government. As parliament members are voted on regionally, and the ratio of parliament members to a region to voters in a region is often way off, you have situations where it takes 20000 votes in one region to get a seat, and 35000 in another.

As you can imagine, that leads to some parties being overrepresented due to their success in less populated regions, and underpresented from more populated ones. It also means a party can have 0 seats in national parliament because they were always just a few votes shy of the minimum in every region while having a total of several hundred thousand nationwide, while a regional party can get multiple seats with a fraction of the total national votes.

Electoral systems are overall very shit in almost every country, and nobody wants to fix them because the only people that can are those in power and they're in power thanks to the shitty system; the foresight to plan ahead and make the system better for the future never comes to them because, well, politicians are, by and large, fucking morons.
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That's a good question.
Is it better to die of an old age and live as a serf, a slave, in torment than dying younger fighting and be remembered that way in a theoretical WWIII. It's a bit what I meant by fear versus rage to resist at the peril of our life, and if it works, you can die happily.

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Of course no one wants to die, but indeed we never choose how to die. So I'm seconding Eriam here, let's live the best we can.

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Except those "less populated regions" also exist. When say, an overpopulated place with 10% of the population vote for their own interests, this is exactly why here, by example we end up with a president like Macron. This is why indeed most systems are biased and does not represent at all the integrality of the population, and we all end with unpopular presidents.
It's impossible to get everyone to agree with the elected guy, the best would be one that gets elected at about 80% or 90%. There we are closer to a popular consensus. No system is perfect, one could be a total dictatorship where the opposition is simply silenced and permanently kalashnikovified.
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Rush Limbaugh is now saying health experts are part of the Deep State and saying they should not be listened to.

There has to be some kinda law or something against this.
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what have your health experts done? pulled the alarm in january asking the borders to be closed in time?
let's be realist, they did nothing, even if China didn't share any life-saving info that was their job.

All the bullshit on validating a drug that can save lives also is the proof not everything is being done right.
And you can criticize all you want but the progression isn't dramatic as it is here in France.

There's no miracle cure for it, chloroquine and other antibiotics have been dispatched in the US, here the ER are overwhelmed.

nah the real enemy here is those who knew the seriousness of the situation and didn't say a word or took any action. or worse, lied.
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what have your health experts done?


Identified the disease as something new and not the flu, learned what its symptoms and transmission vectors are, figured out how long it can survive in open air as well as how different surfaces affect its longevity, and currently developing a vaccine.

There's no miracle cure for it, chloroquine and other antibiotics have been dispatched in the US, here the ER are overwhelmed.


You mean drugs created by health experts? After health experts identified which ones would help against Covid-19?

nah the real enemy here is those who knew the seriousness of the situation and didn't say a word or took any action. or worse, lied.


Yes. Trump, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc, a bunch of aging anti-science reprobates who heard the word of people who's lives are dedicated to understanding and combatting diseases and replied "Hoax".
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nope, actually it's even the opposite.
If you have all the spectrum of politics, depending of the regions, if you are in a coastal, at the borders, lost in the countryside,or in a big city, not one single politician alone can unite one entire country.

and this is why every politician is aiming at targeting the electorate of the biggest cities, not the WHOLE country.
The solution? make more local governments, give back more power to the regions, states, or provinces. such local governance should be much more adapted than a big global one that rule an entire country all the same.
I mean, there's a huge difference between Wisconsin, New York and California. That's the same difference between Bretagne, Paris and the cote d'Azur.


@Dustcan
Did they had any info? No.
I'm talking about the Chinese officials and the WHO — did nothing — that was in December they should have.
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Trump and his opinion host friends at Fox News have hurt a lot more than they have helped because of the initial "it's like a flu" response to COVID-19. Though I saw a lot of media reporting "the flu is worse" takes in January.

The Chinese Government holds most of the blame though, in the grand scheme of things. Things are bad here in the U.S., bad in Germany, bad in France, bad in Italy, bad in Spain, and bad in Iran. The Chinese government should have been a LOT more open.

Also, fuck Trump for using the virus as an excuse to expand the War on Drugs.
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@Dustcan
actually practically everyone in politics and the media ignored the coronavirus early on due to the impeachment hearings and aftermath, and the Trump admin did shut down travel to China, which boight us time that was overall wasted since we didn't get the testing ready, and Trump didn't call the virus itself a hoax, just the way it was covered in relation to him.
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Rush Limbaugh is now saying health experts are part of the Deep State and saying they should not be listened to.

There has to be some kinda law or something against this.


I never liked Limbaugh, but I respected him somewhat.

Don't tell me he's turning into another Alex Jones…..
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