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@Background Pony #268B  
This is pretty much what happened with Miterrand in 80, everyone had enough of Giscard and everyone thought like “It can’t end up like east germany, what could go wrong?” Now even today we’re still crippled by bureaucrats and terrible legislations that are crippling the economy and make this country a vassal of the EU’s interests.
 
But you think none of this ever been tried? Go ahead, try it! That’ll only make us “europoors” gets better. Thanks Darwin!
 
 
@Background Pony #268B  
I have this.  
I am a socialist; of course I am a socialist. To hold a vision that society can be fundamentally different, to believe that all people can be equal - that is not a new idea.
-Bernie Sanders
 
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@Patachu  
do you have a source for that quote. I tried searching it and the first response is Washington Post, which is paywalled for me. It wouldn’t surprise me if he said it, but often times quotes become popular even if they are not accurate.
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@Background Human
isn’t socialism what you guys want?
 
No, what we want are social safety nets like they have in Canada, Europe and Australia. All those places have capitalism (albeit regulated capitslism). Social safety nets are not socialism.
 
I’ll tell you what we don’t want: plutocracy and oligarchy.
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According to the Global Report Card, more than a third of the 30 school districts with the highest math achievement in the United States are actually charter schools
School districts or schools?
 
Schools for charters vs Districts for public schools.
This different treatment makes the comparison completely bogus. A much more accurate comparison would be to take the best performing single school in the Public School District and compare it to the Charter school.
It’s not as good as a RCT but it is probably available — if you could burrow into the public system’s data back to a comparable time period.
DCPS has a few excellent H.S. with scores that exceed the charter competition. Any comparison of NAEP scores DCPS vs. charters would need to control for socio-economic class which is driving the increase in high school (or middle & high school) charters.
 
The Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) at Stanford University found in a 2009 report that 17% of charter schools outperformed their public school equivalents, while 37% of charter schools performed worse than regular local schools, and the rest were about the same. A 2010 study by Mathematica Policy Research found that, on average, charter middle schools that held lotteries were neither more nor less successful than regular middle schools in improving student achievement, behavior, or school progress. Among the charter schools considered in the study, more had statistically significant negative effects on student achievement than statistically significant positive effects. These findings are echoed in a number of other studies.
This is not a track record that says let’s throw money at anyone who wants to start a charter school in the name of “choice.”
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@Vivace  
why are you cherry picking individual comments from the comment section? Not only does the article address many of those points but their are also comments addressing those comments.
 
As impressive and amazing as these results by charter schools may be, it would be wrong to conclude from this that charter schools improve student achievement. The only way to know with confidence whether charters cause better outcomes is to look at randomized control trials (RCTs) in which students are assigned by lottery to attending a charter school or a traditional public school. RCTs are like medical experiments where some subjects by chance get the treatment and others by chance do not. Since the two groups are on average identical, any difference observed in later outcomes can be attributed to the “treatment,” and not to some pre-existing and uncontrolled difference. We demand this type of evidence before we approve any drug, but the evidence used to justify how our children are educated is usually nowhere near as rigorous.
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@Vivace  
I’m confused. All my nieces and nephews go to a charter school and they’re not “elitist”, far from it in fact. Hell, most of the students I see in these charter schools are from poor and/or immigrant families. They’re very progressive and diverse if you wanna know. They’re much more similar to public schools than private schools.
 
They’re also sprouting up all over the place like wildfire, at least in my area (northern New Jersey).
 
This is just my observation of their environments; I’m not too sure how good their education is, but I can ask my brother–he’s a principal of a charter school. In fact, I have a mind to show him your post to see what he thinks of your opinion.
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@Background Pony #268B  
ah yeah, it’s fun how the press that tells people «every problem is due to capitalism! …subscribe for only 2$/month to get the full article»
 
anyways here is the quote
 
 
@MethidMan  
It’s perfectly fine for everyone to have affordable healthcare, it should be as important as police, or firemen anyways.  
the problem is there’s not a single plan on the right wing there to elaborate one that work. I have nothing against but I fear that some might sell you a pack “affordable healthcare for all!” because it’s not “free”, people are still paying for your expenses and making the pharmaceutics even more rich and not change their plans.
 
The problem is the other ideas included in this kind of politics. Can you just have free healthcare? Yes here’s social media censorship, firearms ban, more public-private partnerships, more taxations and more spendings, more regulations, more laws… ah yeah I forgot, healthcare budget… look! more campaigns to sensibilize people about equality and agrogender people!
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@Commune  
It’s hardly comparable with the night of broken glass, Muslim people aren’t really known to be entirely peaceful, especially after years of terrorism there that aren’t even covered anymore. Sri Lanka especially, being a target by fundies.
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The solution to fix poor public education in the US is not to give large sums of money to private institutions, it is to actually invest in our public schools.
 
Republicans in state legislatures disagree and have cut funding for public education year after year and when pressed on the issue of US students underperforming nationally, implement draconian standardized testing systems which remove even more funding from underperforming schools, because clearly there are no perverse incentives here whatsoever and if they really did that badly, they deserve it! (victim blaming)
 
The GOP and their donors are using the charter system to embezzle public funds and deny teachers public benefits, and the standardized testing system is a massive legislative blowjob that legitimizes a hundred-million dollar testing industry.
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@Commune  
It’s far from a genocide, the people are fed up by a bunch of the population and decided that all muslims should be harrassed/attacked. Mumbai, Pulwama, the Kashmir, the whole region is at the verge of a war.
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the problem is studies have tended to show that throwing moelney at public schools to fix the issue isn’t working. Charter schools have shown promise. Please don’t hate on them just because Republicans support them, so have Democrats.
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