Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)
AaronMk
There are better things to do then panic into an empty chamber known as a politics thread on a image site hosting pony porn. We may be equally effected, but we’re not a large group to do anything, neither are we all equally effected given our international distribution. You have more power and higher chances of looking for local activist groups in your municipality, state, or home country. You have more power in going to strikes, marches, protests, or riots even at home than telling people how afraid you are on a pony porn posting board. It might feel cathartic, but it’s effectively useless.
And doing so sort of puts you where someone like Patachu wants you: ultimately declawed from any and all democratic process and feeling hopeless because as he’s posted several times before all politics is an ultimately hopeless affair and as even flatly said very recently that anyone who has dreamed of making things better makes things worse. Your frustration and shouting into the void is doing only Patachu a favor who ultimately doesn’t want you to do anything, because any one who takes the lead for anything makes it worse by his own admission.
So as Zincy said, take it off the board. You can talk about things here, but you’re not being anything but a broken record. You’ll need to do some leg work and seek out any local or national organizations to join. Or to even take a cool breath, sit down, and read some books and work on your perspective and round yourself out.
Sky funeral
@Vivace
Explain
There are better things to do then panic into an empty chamber known as a politics thread on a image site hosting pony porn. We may be equally effected, but we’re not a large group to do anything, neither are we all equally effected given our international distribution. You have more power and higher chances of looking for local activist groups in your municipality, state, or home country. You have more power in going to strikes, marches, protests, or riots even at home than telling people how afraid you are on a pony porn posting board. It might feel cathartic, but it’s effectively useless.
And doing so sort of puts you where someone like Patachu wants you: ultimately declawed from any and all democratic process and feeling hopeless because as he’s posted several times before all politics is an ultimately hopeless affair and as even flatly said very recently that anyone who has dreamed of making things better makes things worse. Your frustration and shouting into the void is doing only Patachu a favor who ultimately doesn’t want you to do anything, because any one who takes the lead for anything makes it worse by his own admission.
So as Zincy said, take it off the board. You can talk about things here, but you’re not being anything but a broken record. You’ll need to do some leg work and seek out any local or national organizations to join. Or to even take a cool breath, sit down, and read some books and work on your perspective and round yourself out.
NeonThriller
@AaronMk
But in a society worldwide where things are so brutally divided, I can’t even make my own opinions because it’s very dangerous.
But in a society worldwide where things are so brutally divided, I can’t even make my own opinions because it’s very dangerous.
AaronMk
You can but the situation as it stands right now is you’re not doing much here. We’re a fundamentally powerless collection of hodge-podge posters ranging from either on fire with passion for a single subject (you and Xtra) or burned out, or more interested in broader subjects. Like internet censorship and media monopolization isn’t a specific issue alienated from the broader entanglement of issues at play. But you’re not going to get far realizing that here, and the focus on just that single issue over and over is getting exhausting.
Because I could try, but history has shown nothing has come to it. I could invite you into a couple spaces as a first step, but you’ll need to ask yourself if you’re ready for that jump and whether you’re up for holding onto your dogma, or letting it involve. But at most these spaces will only go so far as showing more options. You are at an intersection, at the end of which are more.
Sky funeral
@AaronMk
But in a society worldwide where things are so brutally divided, I can’t even make my own opinions because it’s very dangerous.
You can but the situation as it stands right now is you’re not doing much here. We’re a fundamentally powerless collection of hodge-podge posters ranging from either on fire with passion for a single subject (you and Xtra) or burned out, or more interested in broader subjects. Like internet censorship and media monopolization isn’t a specific issue alienated from the broader entanglement of issues at play. But you’re not going to get far realizing that here, and the focus on just that single issue over and over is getting exhausting.
Because I could try, but history has shown nothing has come to it. I could invite you into a couple spaces as a first step, but you’ll need to ask yourself if you’re ready for that jump and whether you’re up for holding onto your dogma, or letting it involve. But at most these spaces will only go so far as showing more options. You are at an intersection, at the end of which are more.
NeonThriller
@AaronMk
I really need to find another subject, This has destroyed my mind for the past 2 years.
I really need to find another subject, This has destroyed my mind for the past 2 years.
AaronMk
You may entering into a feedback loop, so to speak. Your concern over the concentration of media power into a small number of people and even into certain government hands - whether directly or through close private allies of the government - are not unfounded. But it’s like something like Chomsky’s thesis of Manufactured Consent , whether or not these parties are directly associated with the government or not the media world as a businesses is at a position where it can set the framework of discourse and discussion and profit by it, and even without a state-run media like the Soviet Union or China or the DDR drifts towards state-support in some matter by its relationship with moneyed interests who seek to defend their private hold on the economy and not any other model of political-economy. And it’s at that point the intersection stretches out into a whole new set of subjects.
Sky funeral
@AaronMk
I really need to find another subject, This has destroyed my mind for the past 2 years.
You may entering into a feedback loop, so to speak. Your concern over the concentration of media power into a small number of people and even into certain government hands - whether directly or through close private allies of the government - are not unfounded. But it’s like something like Chomsky’s thesis of Manufactured Consent , whether or not these parties are directly associated with the government or not the media world as a businesses is at a position where it can set the framework of discourse and discussion and profit by it, and even without a state-run media like the Soviet Union or China or the DDR drifts towards state-support in some matter by its relationship with moneyed interests who seek to defend their private hold on the economy and not any other model of political-economy. And it’s at that point the intersection stretches out into a whole new set of subjects.
AaronMk
That happens. You’ll have to deal with, defend your point or learn how to. Which will mean you will have to learn, which will suppose you will have to research or even to change your opinion. It’s possible to stand on the right preconditions of an argument but still come to the wrong conclusions. So you’ll need to find the resources for that, and the arena to help sharpen it if to argue online is the goal.
You could read Chomsky, Guy Debord, Gramsci, Adorno as a few names to rattle off to keep things within the realm of media critique (encompassing the relationship of news, entertainment, and propaganda). They’ll help deepen the well and probably offer somewhere new to go from there. This isn’t about being wrong or right, but where to go for growth. I’d argue here that if you’r afraid of someone ending your positivity, or you being afraid of not sharing your opinion because someone tells you to stop it’s probably because your finding the end of your capabilities, so it’s time to expand that horizon intellectually.
If you’re still feeling trapped, it’s time to organize.
Sky funeral
@AaronMk
Even when I try to be positive, It doesn’t last long
That happens. You’ll have to deal with, defend your point or learn how to. Which will mean you will have to learn, which will suppose you will have to research or even to change your opinion. It’s possible to stand on the right preconditions of an argument but still come to the wrong conclusions. So you’ll need to find the resources for that, and the arena to help sharpen it if to argue online is the goal.
You could read Chomsky, Guy Debord, Gramsci, Adorno as a few names to rattle off to keep things within the realm of media critique (encompassing the relationship of news, entertainment, and propaganda). They’ll help deepen the well and probably offer somewhere new to go from there. This isn’t about being wrong or right, but where to go for growth. I’d argue here that if you’r afraid of someone ending your positivity, or you being afraid of not sharing your opinion because someone tells you to stop it’s probably because your finding the end of your capabilities, so it’s time to expand that horizon intellectually.
If you’re still feeling trapped, it’s time to organize.
NeonThriller
@AaronMk
But surfing the web is the thing I do the most and to have that taken away frightens me to the very core.
But surfing the web is the thing I do the most and to have that taken away frightens me to the very core.
AaronMk
This speaks more to the alienation from society than anything to be quite honest. Or to say it another way that might get me jeered at from some TradComms: you’re in a situation more along the lines of traditional organizing having been de-territorialized by Capital (the media landscape) and re-territorialized the same.
The easy way of education, organizing, and socialization has been to slot yourself online and to be under the influence of a number of private or government entities that have already been existing. To reverse the Deleuzian language: you’re going to need to de-territorialiaze yourself from that. Though because it’s the internet that’s as easy to shift from one to another. I might have a few options if you’re interested.
For reference: the terms “territorialization” stem from the Deleuze and Guattari’s philisophical and anti-psychology project. They compared social organization to two different models, referred to as Arboreal and Rhizomatic. The Arboreal arrangement being roughly like a tree, arranged hierarchically. The Rhizomatic model is more dispersed and horizontal with a loose arrangement of overlapping paths and bodies, like the root systems of bamboo or crab grass. De-territorialization refers to taking a space over from something else, where as re-territorization is to reshape that space once taken. There isn’t really empty space anymore accessible to human society so we need not worry about territorialization. Just thought I’d put out the definitions.
Sky funeral
@AaronMk
But surfing the web is the thing I do the most and to have that taken away frightens me to the very core.
This speaks more to the alienation from society than anything to be quite honest. Or to say it another way that might get me jeered at from some TradComms: you’re in a situation more along the lines of traditional organizing having been de-territorialized by Capital (the media landscape) and re-territorialized the same.
The easy way of education, organizing, and socialization has been to slot yourself online and to be under the influence of a number of private or government entities that have already been existing. To reverse the Deleuzian language: you’re going to need to de-territorialiaze yourself from that. Though because it’s the internet that’s as easy to shift from one to another. I might have a few options if you’re interested.
For reference: the terms “territorialization” stem from the Deleuze and Guattari’s philisophical and anti-psychology project. They compared social organization to two different models, referred to as Arboreal and Rhizomatic. The Arboreal arrangement being roughly like a tree, arranged hierarchically. The Rhizomatic model is more dispersed and horizontal with a loose arrangement of overlapping paths and bodies, like the root systems of bamboo or crab grass. De-territorialization refers to taking a space over from something else, where as re-territorization is to reshape that space once taken. There isn’t really empty space anymore accessible to human society so we need not worry about territorialization. Just thought I’d put out the definitions.
CaptainXtra
STOP KOSA!
@AaronMk
Could you say that again in a way which people that don’t have oversized brains can understand?
Could you say that again in a way which people that don’t have oversized brains can understand?
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
Anyone at these rallies that uses it as an excuse to cause violence should be cut down like a weed.
Last time a bunch of “freedom fighters” from out of state came here, a women was ran over by one of em.
Virginia isn’t a state that appreciates outside interference. We’ve always gone our own way, and the Commonwealth will endure. Even when other states fall apart.
Last time a bunch of “freedom fighters” from out of state came here, a women was ran over by one of em.
Virginia isn’t a state that appreciates outside interference. We’ve always gone our own way, and the Commonwealth will endure. Even when other states fall apart.
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
Nunes threatens to sue fellow representative for claiming he conspired with Lev, mere days after Nunes admits to conspiring with Lev
And
The National Archives admits to blurring signs critical of Trump from the women’s rally
And Republicans claim that dems are the thinned skinned ones?
And
The National Archives admits to blurring signs critical of Trump from the women’s rally
And Republicans claim that dems are the thinned skinned ones?
Thanotos Omega
@Zincy
Isn’t Nunes also the one trying to sue parody accounts? and the one who kept going to tell Trump everything about the original investigations into him?
Isn’t Nunes also the one trying to sue parody accounts? and the one who kept going to tell Trump everything about the original investigations into him?
Dustcan
Dogs
So with news that former ambassador to Ukraine was being spied on by the Trump administration, people from the Trump administration - up to and including Donald Trump Jr. - are now saying that Yavonovitch was spying on them.
They really are a one trick pony. “No, U!” really is their only strategy whenever news breaks of any of them committing shady dealings.
They really are a one trick pony. “No, U!” really is their only strategy whenever news breaks of any of them committing shady dealings.
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
Alan Dershowitz, a member of Trump’s own legal team, says that an acquittal would disappoint him and he has no intention of voting for Trump in 2020.
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