Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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@Archonix
I would also ask for citations or evidence if you are arguing for something that you think is correct. And no this doesn't mean anything from fox news or msnbc or hell just about any news source. it has to come from an accredited research place with ACTUAL facts. Not just facts but also how they got the data itself.

@Shirani
You can ask for that, but just don't act like a douche to people you think aren't giving it.

@BadgingBadger
yep this too….

Would my story about CNN and my mother count for this thread?

This should hopefully keep politics out of the vent thread.

So… will Trump's wall ever actually go up? Apparently Trump insisted to the president of Mexico that yes, Mexico is paying for that wall! = o And this is just three days ago.

@Hypnosryan
in all honesty I doubt it. it think it was a threat to get congress to move their asses on immigration reform.

@Hypnosryan

Trump's wall will likely not be completed for some time, since just about every construction project takes time to complete. It'll likely take longer, too, since some of the US-Mexico border is in the mountains.

@Shirani
It might've been.

@SonGokuMonkey
Yeah, it probably wouldn't stunt illegal immigration that badly anyway, I mean, they could just take a boat across the gulf of Mexico to Florida.

@Hypnosryan
"We need to build a Seawall!"

@Background Pony #BA5B
Hah! He wishes that he could do that!

@Hypnosryan
Honestly, if the wall was a massive, gaudy, super-project made of fire. I'd support it.

@Hypnosryan
or some rope and ladders.

@angrybrony
depending on how tall and thick the wall is I don't think people would put in the effort to climb it. Also @Background Pony #BA5B remember no shitposting in the thread…

So those vouchers Seattle is using seem like a legit good idea, a way for voters to help level the playing field with big companies, for clarity, they are offering vouchers that amount to 100$ to all citizens that can be donated to the campaigns of politicians, it's not quite a perfect solution but better than nothing,

@Shirani

Yeah, I'm going to second this, please try not to shitpost.

@Hypnosryan
how was that shitposting?

@angrybrony
I wasn't talking about you I was replying to the other dude.

@angrybrony
You're fine, I wasn't referring to you

So, I'm gonna say it, I feel like Sargon Of Akkad might be my least favorite YouTuber ever. He's politically illiterate, yet has a massive following, so he spreads all sorts of misinformation.

I'm not sure if he's deliberately dishonest or just ignorant.

@Hypnosryan
how so? no I mean really how so?

@Hypnosryan
Has Trump ever said what the problem is with the $10.4 billion southern US border wall that President Bush built or how his wall is going to be any better?

@Shirani
He believes that "Cultural Marxism" is a real threat, believes that "mass migration" is class warfare against the poor, and thinks centre-left social democracy is Communism.

All this while he claims to be a centre-leftie who just wants to improve the left while he supports Hayekian and Thatcherite economics, and also supported numerous Right Wing goons like Trump, Marie Le Pen, and Theresa May. Most of his subscribers are Right Leaning as well.

I mean, if I claimed to be a Right Winger who just wanted to improve the Right, while saying the things that I do, people here would think I was fucking ridiculous. Yeah, Hypnosryan, the Right Wing Jill Stein/Melenchon/Jeremy Corbyn Supporter, imagine that.

@Background Pony #6D39
I'm not sure if he has.

@Hypnosryan
Well the fact of the matter is that most of academia is controlled by those that believe in trigger warnings, social justice, and other things. So it is not surprising that people would feel this way. And as for the mass migration….it IS a problem not for the poor but for EVERONE if they don't assimilate into their new "home". That is the main problem everyone has with mass migration.