Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

@IWTCIEM
You and I see very different things when we read the post I replied to, don’t we? Because I don’t see you saying anything about “racists, rapists, N@Zs”, or identifying them as who you are talking about. Maybe be more clear about who you are talking about, when you complain about, as you say, “people”. Because normally when you say stuff like that, “people” means “Americans”.
I mean people can argue semantics all they want, but there is absolutely no denying that Americans as a collective elected a racist/rapist/N@Z ideologue; not once, but twice. And that was after he was proven to be all of those. But at this point it doesn’t matter anymore whether someone voted for Trump or Harris; if they aren’t doing everything in their power to stop the scum/wannabe dictator, they are just as guilty. Plus “nOt AlL AmErIcAnS sUpPoRT tRuMp” has about the same energy and credibility as “not all men…”
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Less than 23% of Americans voted for Trump.
Last warning. Stop accusing everyone in an entire nation of universally being racists, rapists, and Nazis.
You sound like Trump talking about Mexicans or immigrant factory workers in Ohio.
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@IWTCIEM
Morons that go “all men are rapists” are one of the main reasons gender discourse online is a complete clownshow and random young people that first get exposed to it come away thinking “feminism = misandry”.
But go off, I’m sure telling everyone not already 100% aligned with you to fuck off will do wonders.
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@Ciaran
While not condoning IWTCIEM’s outrageous rhetoric of guilt by association in the least, you could however make the case that 23% was already too many, since it was enough to bring That Fucking Guy back into power.
This was the vote of people who either weren’t smart, weren’t good, or were neither.
And you can add to them the percentage (harder to quantify this one, but still probably a significant fraction of the 86 million non-voters) of people who, while not voting for Trump, found some asinine reason to abstain from voting for Harris, which also denotes an abysmal lack of judgement.
I have no compassion for people who did either of those two things and are now complaining that they got fired from their job (because it was a government job or because their company did a lot of business with Canada), that they can no longer afford their life-saving medication, that Trump supports the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, or that eggs are now pricier than ever. As far as I’m concerned, they made their bed.
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@Ereiam
A whole lot of his voters (and voters in general) are massively uninformed and uninterested. They don’t read the politics articles on news sites, or understand them; they don’t listen in to politics podcasts or watch politics talkshows. They zone out and and “just grill” for 47 months and then do a google search for “why eggs cost more now?” before heading to the voting booth, and never even see all the other shit.
It super sucks, but I it’s better than every GOP voter being a rabid nazi chomping at the bit for the race war to kick off.
A lot of things are happening in USA that many, perhaps half of the people here, will find troubling. But it’s not all bad news. Good people are still in positions that balance the presidency.
Don’t get distracted by all the flash bang grenades.
For those not sure what this exchange means for the executive order, Trump’s “Muslim Travel Ban” was blocked in 2017 because it displayed “animus”. Which Trump and his administration should know. So they created the order and publicized it knowing it would sink as soon as it hit water.
It’s all a show for the faithful. It’s not expected to work or change anything except perhaps to move the Overton window and embolden or further radicalize some nut cases.
It’s just to create the illusion that Trump is fulfilling election promises. It’s mid-term electioneering. The advertising for that election is already running. All of these will be on the list of “Republican accomplishments”, even though most of them will fail at launch.
Oh no, it IS all bad news but it’s nothing to panic about. It’s less, Nazis are kicking doors down and executing people, and more you finding out your boss is a rapist and you have to live with that fact. It’s the kind of depression that drives men to drink because they’ve lost faith in everything.
Seeing this doesn’t inspire hope in me because this shouldn’t have happened to begin with. No serious opposition will ever happen, Trump and Elon will never be arrested, they’ll get away with all the corruption, and most likely the MAGAtards will just vote for whoever reminds them the most of Trump and the masses won’t care one bit.
@Meanlucario
It’ll happen eventually, it’s just a matter of how crushing the realization is. The best thing to be done is to stop caring and focus on our own problems. You all have to stop trying to find nuggets of hope in this pile of shit. It’s all just going to be politicians giving symbolic gestures of “resistance” that won’t lead to any meaningful change, but it’ll fool people into thinking maybe something will change. And they’ll be waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting for a change that’ll never happen while they’re slowly being fed more and more news about how Trump and Elon are doing more corrupt shit. This isn’t a fucking movie, Elon and Trump will never be arrested, they’ll never be kicked out, they’re going to be there for a good long while. The best any of us can do is to stop caring and focus on our own problems. That’s what I’ve been trying to do, but the fucking media keeps shoving this shit in my face because they want my money and they know this will get my attention. It’s like a recovering alcoholic being bombarded with ads for beer
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Good article summing up the problems many people including I have with the Democratic Party and its fundamental incapability of resisting Elonald as it consolidates its hegemony over the federal government.
For those who are paywalled or want a short version: Democratic leadership knows damn well how to fight, and have been demonstrating it against the left and their own voter base for the past 25 years. They simply don’t WANT to resist the Trump-Musk regime. Why? Six diagnoses.
  1. They’d rather have peace with the billionaire tech bros…than wage a struggle to get their money out of politics, have campaign finance reform, and tax their obscene and unearned wealth.
  2. A wing of the Democratic Party actually supports the substance if not style of what Musk is doing, accepting the argument of bureaucratic excess and the need to stop “waste.”
  3. The legacy of Clintonian triangulation and the corporate-centered rightward pull of the New Democrats means their top campaign consultants for a generation have been insulated, isolated, and utterly incapable of being left populists.
  4. The legacy of Obama was that a coalition based upon “demographic destiny” would win elections in perpetuity as long as they were not Republicans. This not only bred inertia; it meant that in 2016, they were caught unaware by how much this country was becoming unglued.
  5. In 2025, marching lockstep behind Israel means defending ethnic cleansing, war crimes, and billions in weapon sales so they continue unhampered. It’s also taking the opposite position of what their potential voters, particularly young voters, want to see.
  6. Democrats are allergic to raising people’s expectations, and as a result, they cannot solve problems.
Because there is no time or appetite for forming a viable third party, the solution is to continue to bother the Hell out of Democratic electeds, while also pushing them out of the way to lead from the bottom up if they refuse to follow.
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@BlitztheDragon
Correction. There is no solution. If this problem wasn’t fixed in the last ten years, what makes you think it’ll be fixed now?
And before you say it, NO the people won’t rise up and demand change. The people are too stupid, selfish, greedy, and apathetic to care or put the effort in. And what few people there are that are “resisting” are mostly just doing it for clout and don’t expect actual change.
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People always wanted easy/fast/simple solutions. It’s nothing new. DC even had a Superman comic deconstruction it and why it doesn’t work long-term. If you want a good solution, you have to work for it and not expect others to do the work for you.
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@Meanlucario
Unfortunately that’s the exact kind of mindset most people in this shithole country have. Let someone else do it. And sometimes they’re right to think that. Because really. What CAN the average American do? Call their representatives and be ignored? Organize a protest that’ll be ineffective because hardly anyone showed up because no one cares?
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@IWTCIEM
I’m American, I didn’t vote for him.
In America when you vote your name and address gets posted on public websites, and my dad uses the voters registration to stalk and threaten my mom.
I don’t know what you want me to tell you. Evil wins sometimes, Trump is just a rabid animal that gets released time to time because it’s cheaper to destroy things than build them.
@Ciaran
Thank you. I have a feeling he’s not American, because Americans know that this is not what anyone wants.
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Wanting him to step on a Lego is fine though.
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