Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

Background Pony #85F0
我感觉这场选举没有赢家,特朗普上台会让非MAGE厌恶他的政策,哈里斯上台会导致红州更加与联邦政府的不合,为什么会这样呢?美国难到真的找不出一个从人民中走出来,代表人民利益的领导人吗?
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Republicans are a dying party and are desperate to hold onto power with a dictatorship. Harris winning is great since it will hopefully cause the party to finally finish eating itself alive so a new party can form, one more willing to participate in democracy and the USA government than the one that came before.
marinus18

@Meanlucario
The Reaganite identity in red states is strong though. Build on white supremacy, vague notions of “Christian values” and mostly just extreme anti-communism. There are many propaganda channels to encourage people to see themselves as temporary embarrassed capitalists.
But also racist communities are dying and Christian extremism is in decline. So long as Christianity is losing power but still has some it will be dangerous.
marinus18

@Meanlucario
I said Christian extremism. Where Christian dogma is more important than common sense and I don’t consider you that.
I should have been more clear though that I meant the Christian elite are losing power like the televangilists and megachurch pastors. As well as Christian inspired political groups like focus-on-the-family and the heritage foundation.
Without the ability to appeal to “Christian morals” those organizations will have a much harder time. Appealing to “Christian morals” allows them to oppose popular policy without having to be very clear about it. Since Christianity is above question they can use it as an effective shield to push through bad policy.
I don’t have a problem with your belief but I do have a problem with the power structure it’s attached to. I respect you as an individual but I won’t lie about the detrimental effect I think modern organized Christianity has.
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@Background Pony #85F0
I don’t think you should be looking for the USA to elect a leader who is focused on the needs of China.
Or criticizing Americans for voting to protect and support their own interests over the interests of a foreign state.
In the case I have misunderstood your meaning, 你怎麼用「紅州」? 「紅州」とはどういう意味ですか?
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We used to have leaders that did unite the nation pre-Obama.
People might not have liked the president, but people still respected them and their position. Yes even Bush jr.
It was only when Obama took office that the Republican party lost its mind over - and I do not exaggerate - a black man being president. Then Trump came along and very explicitly ran on/ran an administration of division.
Biden and now Harris is trying to run on unity, but it’s going to be years before Trump’s cancer is removed from political discourse, especially since he’s now dropping all pretense and running on a campaign of expunging “the enemy within”.
In other news, Trump has been throwing a tantrum about Pennsylvania being stolen for a few days now.
So he’s either setting the stage for his inevitable lawsuits challenging the results, or internal polling does not show good things for him.
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Harris’s campaign reports that their internal polling data shows undecided voters breaking for her by double digits, and that she is consolidating support among black men and Latinos.
Take internal polling with a grain of salt, as always, but if it’s even partly true then it represents a hell of a shift.
marinus18

@Dustcan
Even though Obama is the most centrist president there is. It truly felt like for every left leaning decision he made he would make a right leaning one. For every injection of money he gave to consumer protection he would off-set it by putting a billionare at the head of it.
Though many racists are also sexist. I don’t think they will like having a ‘madam president’
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Though many racists are also sexist. I don’t think they will like having a ‘madam president’
I’ve been low-key worried about this for months.
Even if Harris wins, the last time a black person was in office the right wing turned into the Reich wing.
If it’s a black woman this time…
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Because it sounds like that is what you’re saying.
What do you think I’m saying? あなたは何について話しているのですか?
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@Ciaran
如果这冒犯到你了,那真的对不起,我做为一个外国人去评价他国内政是一件极其错误的事情,我未知全貌,单独从自己看到的浅显信息和文化差异上武断的评价是错误的,您提醒了我这件事,感谢!
我可能提出了一个在局外人眼里看到的问题,即使它是很愚蠢的
我使用“红州”这个词只是单纯的指那些共和党领导的地区,因为它在地图上被标位红色
marinus18

Though many racists are also sexist. I don’t think they will like having a ‘madam president’
I’ve been low-key worried about this for months.
Even if Harris wins, the last time a black person was in office the right wing turned into the Reich wing.
If it’s a black woman this time…
They will indeed go crazy but they no longer have the competent moderates they had back then.
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@Background Pony #85F0
Oh! im sorry, i thought by “红州” you meant “紅色的河流和山脈”. My mistake. In the USA, the GOP party is running on a platform of denying minorities their rights. The Democrat party is howping to restore or extend rights. Also, the GOP candidate has, in the past, worked to exclude benefits from “blue states and cities” while the Democratic candidate and party have been working to extend rights equally to all. For example, one of the GOP’s platforms is actually denying equal rights to minorities who are considered “blue state”, and the Democrat’s platform is largely focused on preserving or restoring those rights.
So a “blue win” tends to result in more equality and rights for all states, regardless of color. While in this case a “red win” has promised retribution and denial of equal rights and access to government services to “blue voters” and “blue party members”.
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So the spoiled cunt that pepper sprayed that Muslim Uber driver in New York when he spoke Arabic has been charged with several hate crimes, fired from her job, and effectively driven off social media.
Her lawyer claims it “wasn’t a hate crime”.
She had a cozy little PR job that her sorority had helped her get too. Good, I hope this ruins her career for good.
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So the spoiled cunt that pepper sprayed that Muslim Uber driver in New York when he spoke Arabic has been charged with several hate crimes,
Good.
and effectively driven off social media.
Or maybe people just finally were done listening to her. A little bit of pic related.
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@Ciaran
谢谢您的理解!
在中文互联网上的表述上:
将些共和党执政的地区看作一个“非法移民集中区”,大量的非法移民都是非白人,联邦政府给出的福利,大部分都是这些地区的地区政府出钱治理,本身那些地方就不太富裕,还要每年拿大量的钱给非法移民发福利,而且这些非法移民很多挤占了他们的岗位,所以他们反对和歧视少数族裔的政治诉求不难理解
看来我们这里出现了大量的讲述红州悲惨的故事,导致我们对民主党的纲领认知过于稀少,对共和党的诉求过于情绪化了
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Not really. Because of their undocumented status it’s very difficult for illegal immigrants to benefit from government programs. But they still have to pay taxes, so they end up funding those same social programs they are denied.
Likewise the jobs they take are both labor intensive and ones American citizens don’t do. Our farm industry in particular is propped up massively from immigrant labor.
Not saying we should just not do anything about illegal border crossings, but the Republican party exaggerate if not outright lie about the dangers and drain these people cause.
marinus18

@Dustcan
But also it’s the megacorps that hire these people and keep bringing them in. Giving them better representation in unions and increasing their pay actually would help significantly in cutting down on it. Cause then it would no longer be a way for corporations to undermine American workers.
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