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If you use other’s hatred to justify your own hated, you’re scum. If you actually wanted to improve the world, you’d at least try to be better and set an example of doing what’s right. Might wanes over time, and the mighty become frail and killed by those they taught to be violent and angry. It’s pretty pathetic, relying on strength and having power over others.
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Pretty sure republicans value the truth more than this guy.
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How American citizens are leading rise of ‘settler violence’ on Palestinian lands
I didn’t understand, did you answer me? what visas and what Palestinians? I don’t understand what the argument is about and the subject of the conversation.
It feels like you didn’t answer me, but accidentally answered me.
Do you have a source for these supposed “exterminations”? A source that isn’t obviously propaganda from Sputnik or RT of course You don’t because it’s either a complete fabrication or an exaggeration so extreme it may as well be called a lie
Of course have! You don’t know anything about the “anti-terrorist operation” announced by Ukraine against eastern Ukraine?
How did the new Ukrainian government go to war against the residents of Donetsk?
Do you need to provide sources for this? Well, okay, there is one video on YouTube, it lasts 3 hours and was made by Ukrainians.
Here they told for their part the full history of the conflict, about Donbass, about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, the full story in detail.
https://youtu.be/PgQVOWs2wYk?si=aM4a_SYzLMwWbksb
The duration of this video is 3:32:15
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How American citizens are leading rise of ‘settler violence’ on Palestinian lands
I didn’t understand, did you answer me? what visas and what Palestinians? I don’t understand what the argument is about and the subject of the conversation.
It feels like you didn’t answer me, but accidentally answered me.
No he didn’t answer you here. Everything in this thread isn’t about you.
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Tatars were the majority of Crimea until Russians pushed them out and replaced them with their own people. Letting a few of them back in isn’t exactly praiseworthy.
Interesting conspiracy theory, what year did this happen? is there a population census?
And I don’t understand what the Tatars have to do with it? if Russians and Tatars live there now? a new mosque is being built there now. Until 2014, the Tatars asked Kyiv to build a mosque, but the Ukrainian government refused to allow the Tatars to do so.
The new Russian government came and built a mosque for the Tatars, and in general officially included the Tatars and recognized them as part of the population of Crimea.
So what’s the problem? Are you suggesting that Crimea be occupied back by Ukraine? or what would be your suggestions?
Here’s the news:
Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke in favor of accelerating the completion of the construction of the Cathedral Mosque. At a meeting of the Council on Interethnic Relations, the President expressed his readiness to help complete the construction of the mosque, if necessary. He also asked a question about the readiness of the mosque to a member of the Council for National Affairs, deputy of the Crimean parliament Chingiz Yakubov, to which he replied that the mosque was almost ready and only minor improvements remained.
“Many generations of Crimean Tatars and Muslims living in Crimea in general have dreamed about this,” the head of state noted and called for speeding up the completion of work and emphasized that the opening of the Cathedral Mosque would be an important event for the Muslim community of Crimea.
Moreover, until 2014, the same international organizations also paid attention to violations of the rights of nationalities, but this time on the part of Ukraine, not only in Crimea, but also in general on the territory of this Eastern European state. These same international organizations have often said that the Ukrainian authorities are cultivating intolerance towards national minorities.
For example, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination back in the late 90s noted in its reports that there are no measures in Ukrainian legislation that would prohibit discrimination on racial and national grounds, and the reports also stated that Crimean Tatars returning to Crimea face with problems in obtaining citizenship. It was not even a question of building mosques or cultural revival.
There was another report that reproached Ukraine for not having a law to restore the rights of previously deported people - a law that Russia passed in 2014. Based on the results of the reports, the Council of Europe adopted resolutions and demanded that the Ukrainian authorities resolve issues of the participation of the Crimean Tatars in the economic, social, cultural and public spheres. And in 2014, the tone of “authoritative” international organizations did not change, only the addressee changed. Now it is not Ukraine that cultivates intolerance and oppression, but Russia, in particular the new Russian authorities of Crimea with the consent of the federal center.
The war isn’t over yet. While Ukraine is not making big advances, until a treaty is signed, legally Crimea is merely occupied.
The war is not over and will not end soon. The United States will continue to support Urkaina in its own interests, and Russia is not even close to falling apart.
Crimea is occupied, call it what you want) but for some reason the occupation is always presented as something negative.
I remind you that the USA, Britain, Poland, all these countries were engaged in the “occupation” of Iraq.
The USSR and Britain and the USA were engaged in the “occupation” of Germany.
Occupation is not initially an odd negative connotation)
It’s just that YOU PERSONALLY don’t like that Crimea is occupied by Russia.
Well, there’s nothing you can do about it.
You can call it what you want, but Crimea is in fact a territory officially of the Russian Federation (:
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If you use other’s hatred to justify your own hated, you’re scum. If you actually wanted to improve the world, you’d at least try to be better and set an example of doing what’s right. Might wanes over time, and the mighty become frail and killed by those they taught to be violent and angry. It’s pretty pathetic, relying on strength and having power over others.
A very good and wonderful manipulation) roughly speaking, you say: “Russia! Please stop defending your interests! As an American, I DON’T LIKE THIS! Give up Crimea so that there can be a US base in Sevastopol! And it is also advisable to let NATO in and establish its base instead of the Kremlin “Russia! Set a good example for us Americans!”
Dude, are you kidding me? You’re not serious, are you?
Pretty sure republicans value the truth more than this guy.
And what is the truth? You are telling me here that the Russian army only suffers defeats, everyone is dying here, everyone is freezing in a cold country and everything is very bad in Russia.
I dispute this and say that this is not so.
You write to me “oh look this guy doesn’t value the truth”
So again, what exactly is the truth?
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@Atlas_66
The truth is that your country is in a pointless war because your power-hungry dictator is desperate due to your country down doing a spiral due to his own actions with a graph enthusiast having the numbers to prove, and yet you brush it aside for some asinine reason. Pretending that the actions of the past (true or false) justify any actions you or your senile leader hides your ass just show how pathetic you are. The rest of us have the awareness to look at reality and see what can and needs to be improved in ourselves, our government, and the world overall. You are too scared to even consider that you or your government might be in the wrong. It’s not fun, but leaving your comfort zone is needed to learn the truth and not just absorb what a dishonest government tells you.
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There’s literally the ICC and the ICJ whilch judge war crimes
The International Criminal Court (ICC) has become “an unscrupulous legal body of the West, handing down verdicts at the behest of the United States,” Malaysian English-language newspaper New Straits Times said.
“Look how loudly they accused former Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir of genocide in Darfur. More recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin was just as loudly accused of the same thing because of the situation in Ukraine. And the International Criminal Court shamelessly rushed to implement what was said, as if it were a legal body of the West,” the newspaper’s management said in an official statement.
According to the publication, the International Criminal Court ignored many years of genocide in Palestine, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, thereby being “unfair in its choice of topics for study.”
The media report states that war criminals are “walking the streets of powerful countries and their allies.” The ICC, the publication says, “under the dictation of the West, chooses who to accuse and who not.”
Oh yeah! great court, the best court in the world!
Here are some details about this trial of yours.
US authorities have imposed sanctions against two employees of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which investigates the most serious crimes, such as genocide, torture and violations of the rules of war. We explain what exactly the ICC is, who has suffered from American sanctions, and why Washington is dissatisfied with the actions of this structure.
What kind of sanctions?
Two ICC employees were under American restrictions: prosecutor Fatou Bensouda and the head of the department of judicial proceedings, complementarity and cooperation, Fakiso Mochochoko. The sanctions freeze any assets that these individuals may have in the United States or are subject to American law.
As Secretary of State Michael Pompeo noted, restrictions may subsequently affect those individuals and legal entities that “continue to provide material support” to Bensouda and Mochochoco.
“The United States has never ratified the Rome Statute that established [this] court. And we are not going to tolerate its illegal attempts to subject Americans to its jurisdiction,” the secretary of state said.
What claims does the ICC have against the United States?
This concerns the actions of the American military in Afghanistan. The ICC prosecutor’s office began examining the situation in that country in 2006 and in 2017 requested permission to investigate possible war crimes and crimes against humanity during the armed conflict since May 1, 2003.
Not only Taliban militants (banned in the Russian Federation), but also Afghan military personnel and Americans, in particular CIA employees, who allegedly committed crimes in secret prisons in Poland, Lithuania and Romania, could be under investigation. A 2016 ICC report found there were reasonable grounds to believe that the US military tortured detainees.
In 2019, the ICC prosecutor’s request to open an investigation was rejected, but she later challenged this decision and sought permission to conduct an investigation.
What measures has the US already taken?
In 2002, Washington passed a special law allowing the use of military force to free US and allied citizens detained under an ICC warrant.
In March 2019, Washington introduced restrictions on the issuance of visas to ICC representatives, who, according to American authorities, are directly responsible for investigations against American military personnel.
In June 2020, US President Donald Trump authorized the imposition of sanctions against ICC officials involved in investigations that Washington considers illegal.
What is known about the fallen
ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda has held this position since 2012. She was previously minister of justice in Gambia, her home country, and later deputy to the previous ICC prosecutor, Luis Moreno-Ocampo.
Bensouda also served as senior legal adviser to the UN tribunal that tried the alleged leaders of the 1994 Rwandan genocide.
The second member of the ICC to be blacklisted by the United States was the head of the department of judicial proceedings, complementarity and cooperation, Phakiso Mochochoko, a native of Lesotho. He joined the ICC as part of the task force created to establish the court in The Hague in 2002. From 2004 to January 2011, he served as Senior Legal Adviser in the ICC Secretariat, and in February 2011 he was appointed to his current post in the Office of the Prosecutor.
How did the world react to the sanctions?
The ICC itself called the US sanctions an attempt to interfere with independent legal and prosecutorial activities and promised to continue investigations.
The UN expressed concern and reminded the United States of the obligations that the country, as the location of the UN headquarters, bears for the access of all ICC staff there.
In Venezuela, US sanctions against the ICC were considered an admission of responsibility for crimes. “This is an illegal practice that amounts to an admission of guilt,” Bolivarian Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza wrote on Twitter.
In response, Pompeo, on Fox Business, accused the ICC of politicking and corruption. “This is a group of politicians in The Hague who threaten our guys who served and fought in Afghanistan. This is a court of lawless people with openly corrupt lawyers who threaten proceedings against the Americans who fought for freedom in Afghanistan. This is unacceptable,” he said.
p.s. The International Criminal Court is as useless an organization as the UN
Well, this only affects weak countries, and investigations against strong countries are useless.
In 2018, US authorities announced that they would arrest ICC judges and impose sanctions on everyone involved in the investigation. The judges understood the signal - and in 2019 a decision followed: Bensouda was refused to initiate an investigation, and in its justification the court referred to the “complexity and changeability of the political climate.” In 2020, the “changeable climate” turned towards Trump’s decline – and Bensouda managed to appeal this decision. The investigation was authorized. The Trump administration, in turn, said that such actions by the ICC “threaten to undermine US sovereignty.” In September of the same year, the United States imposed personal sanctions against Bensouda and another senior member of the ICC prosecutor’s office, Fakiso Mochochoko.
As a result of coordinated pressure, Bensouda was fired, and the Briton Karim Khan, who took his place, found a Solomonic solution. He announced the resumption of the investigation, but with a caveat: all details concerning the United States will be omitted, and it will concern exclusively the Taliban * (under UN sanctions for terrorist activities) and the Islamic State *.
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Also I would judge your take on the very much real Tatar genocide but your reply is so incoherent I don’t even know where to start
This was not genocide, this was the resettlement of peoples during the USSR, not only Tatars, but also Chechens, Russians, Dagestanians, Kalmyks, and many others.
I don’t think this was the right action on Stalin’s part and it was a wrong decision.
But it was NOT Genocide, genocide is the deliberate extermination of a particular people, precisely when you gather everyone together with the goal of exterminating them.
Where there was genocide and where there was success was the United States with the Indians.
Don’t you dare compare what happened in the USA and in the USSR, these are different things.
By the way, Ukraine did not recognize the Crimean Tatars until 2014 and did not care about them and Ukrkina did not pay any attention to the Tatars.
As soon as a new government came to Crimea, the rights of the Crimean Tatars were restored and a new mosque was built and much more was done.
It was Russia that admitted that the deportation of Tatars during the USSR was not correct.
Ukraine didn’t care and did not respect the rights of the Krum Tatars.
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@Meanlucario
Don’t bother replying to him. Any of his posts shows he doesn’t care about the truth, just about strawmanning any position that diverges from the Kremlin-provided Kool-Aid he guzzles by the gallon (or making whataboutisms on the wrongs Putin’s regime is committing on a daily basis whenever they’re pointed out to him).
I gave up on that moron when he thought the label of “czar” I gave Putin was meant literally (not to mention, I’m pretty sure he’s either got a bad grasp of the English language or merely pretending to purposefully misconstrue our point when he can’t find a ready-made argument against it).
Arguing with him (or a Trump supporter) is like playing chess with a pigeon: there’s no winning against him, he’ll just knock the pieces down, shit on the board, and eventually leave.
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This was not genocide, this was the resettlement of peoples
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My dude, forcibly deporting people from one region and culture and planting them thousands of miles away into another, turning them into a minority forced to integrate or ghetoize, and then importing your own people into the now occupied region to impose your culture and dilute the original…
Is genocide.
You don’t need planned starvation or gas chambers or running down villagers with cavalry for a genocide.
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I’m aware, just wanted to get it off my chest. I can at least pray that I cut deep enough that they rethink their life.
@Natry
That would violate the number 1 rule of “might makes right.” These people are all for it until they are the ones at the bottom, than they bitch about being cheated out of the system and life shouldn’t be unfair to them because they work hard.
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The truth is that your country is in a pointless war
Great statement, good opinion, I heard you, very important opinion.
And your country also took part in senseless wars, now what? what do you want from me?
War is nonsense.. hmm, what a smart statement, did you come up with it yourself? I see you are a philosopher.
because your power-hungry dictator is desperate due to your country down doing a spiral due to his own actions with a graph enthusiast having the numbers to prove, and yet you brush it aside for some asinine reason.
Okay, Putin is a dictator, what do you care? You live in Russia?
You show me figures made up from the minds of Western journalists and say that according to your charts of Western journalists, everything is bad in Russia.
I’m telling you that I live in Russia and I better know how I live) I see all the problems and advantages from inside the country, living here, and not from CNN news headlines as you do.
Pretending that the actions of the past (true or false) justify any actions you or your senile leader hides your ass just show how pathetic you are.
No, they do not justify, but only show YOUR hypocrisy, Russia has now shown that it can act in the same way as Western countries)
And Western countries, looking in the mirror and seeing their reflection there, were indignant.
The rest of us have the awareness to look at reality and see what can and needs to be improved in ourselves, our government, and the world overall.
Some incoherent set of populist slogans in the style of “I’m the smartest! I know how, where and what! And I know everything better! Unlike you”
Well… okay, I don’t know what to answer here) you said populist nonsense.
I don’t see that you are improving anything, judging by the actions of your politicians and stupid statements, rather I see degradation
You are too scared to even consider that you or your government might be in the wrong.
Wow, are you now deciding for me what I think? lol.
You are reading my mind? did you analyze me from a psychological point of view based on the arguments I expressed?
By the way, I don’t agree with everything that Putin or the Kremlin as a whole is doing.
For example, the start of a special operation on February 24, 2022, I do not think that this was correct. But, on the other hand, I saw no other way out.
Yes, you American didn’t care about Donbass and you knew nothing about it. And I followed this conflict even before 2022, and I knew that sooner or later a full-scale war would have to begin. Although I was still shocked that it started so unexpectedly.
Unlike you, I was following this conflict even before February 24, and the war began back in 2014, this war lasted all 9 years, now this war has continued, but just over most of the territory.
Because Ukrkaina refused peace negotiations and refused to comply with the Minsk agreements.
Then Merkel really admitted that the Minsk agreements were just a fiction and we were building up weapons and preparing Ukraine for war - Yes, yes, Merkel really admitted, you can find this news.
Here, both Russia and Ukraine were building up their weapons and waiting to see who would strike first. It turned out that Russia was the first to strike.
That’s how it happened.
It’s not fun, but leaving your comfort zone is needed to learn the truth and not just absorb what a dishonest government tells you.
I don’t watch official media, I’m just not interested)
But I can say the same about you: “You only listen to information that is convenient for you and do not want to listen if something diverges from your usual worldview.”
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Don’t bother replying to him.
That’s right, when there are not enough counterarguments, it’s better to ignore, it’s so convenient))
Any of his posts shows he doesn’t care about the truth
I don’t really understand what exactly your so-called truth is?
You are telling me that according to our American news headlines, everything is very bad in Russia.
I dispute this in the discussion, I say that this is not so.
You’re telling me that I don’t want to hear the “truth.” So what exactly is the truth? can you explain in more detail?
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He only has $50m to his name and he owes triple that amount in the lawsuit
Plus he owes another worker $10m for a sexual harassment lawsuit
And there is still him being a part of the Trump trial too
This dude is gonna spend the rest of his life behind bars without a single penny to his name
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy c:
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Good idea. Why don’t you start.
By the way, we were talking about Crimea, and I was hoping for a discussion and at least acceptable arguments)
But you get into the conversation without understanding the issue.
Crimea is Russia, failed to challenge the opposite? Well, it’s your business, you can ignore me (:
If it makes you feel better.
I actually studied the Crimean issue, unlike you.
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