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@Meanlucario
That whole argument is nothing more than a whataboutism. What really matters is the past quarter-century and the present day, the latter of which this generation has an opportunity to make changes for the better, if only they have the balls to do it.
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What really matters is the past quarter-century and the present day
Boy howdy, not even surgery can fix this level of nearsightedness. And I wear thick glasses.
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@Background Pony #D717
How exactly is it nearsighted? Germany, Italy and Japan each went through massive redemption arcs against all odds and bettered themselves to be nations deserving of international respect. In the case of Germany in particular they went a huge step further by actively denouncing their terrible crimes and taking steps to ensure they wouldn’t repeat the same mistake again. The UK and Commonwealth Nations all embraced modern liberalism and better living conditions: whether it was establishing the NHS or confiscating guns to keep their populations safe.
Meanwhile the USA did absolutely none of those things and instead continued to wage wars, push nationalistic propaganda disguised as “patriotism,” allowed extremism and fundamentalism to reign supreme, among other things. Every single country today thoroughly condemns the USA for its hatred, violence and human rights abuses and those are just facts. And even if those problems pop up once in awhile in other places, they are far more serious and rampant in the USA than in any other industrialized country.
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Holy historical revisionism Batman! While I can’t speak to Italy’s experiences, I know for a fact that both Germany and Japan weren’t all that redeemed, given that the allies forgave like 98% percent of their war criminals and made up shit like the clean Wehrmacht in order to get into a dick-waving contest with their former allies and the people who really brought down the Nazis: the Soviet Union. This isn’t a secret or a conspiracy theory either, because it’s well known that the allies changed the outcomes of Nuremberg and its far-east equivalent.
It’s not just in Germany or Japan either: the large numbers of Dutch people here in NZ are here precisely because the Netherlands, at the behest of what would become NATO, forgave all the collaborators and let them serve in important positions in both the government and the military again, which understandably royally pissed off a lot of Dutch people who had suffered through the Nazi occupation of their homeland.
It’s why I roll my eyes at the liberals crying about the rise of fascism, because it’s people like them who forgave the Nazis and their Japanese equivalents all in the name of political expediency; and worse still, fucking whitewashed their crimes to be “not really their fault.” To paraphrase a Jewish podcaster I like: “Why is Germany still allowed to exist, especially after what they did!?”
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@Ebalosus
From what I’m aware of East and West Germany’s willingness to fully confront their Nazi atrocities was a gradual process, and that Japan’s was almost nonexistent. Even so, the positive contributions to science, technology and society which both countries made outweighed the negatives. The US, on the other hand, might have provided movies and music to the masses, but at the same time it has committed far too many atrocities and crossed the moral event horizon on more than enough levels to be considered completely unredeemable.
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If German scientific contibutions are enough to outweigh the Holocaust, shouldn’t the scientific contribution of the US (not to mention giving Germany and Japan a lot of money so they could make science in the first place) already redeem a lot of evil done? The US is more than Hollywood, you know.
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The US, in terms of our tech development sector, is one of the most advanced nations on the planet.
It’s far more inequaliable, with vast swaths of the nation not having access to said technology, but it is very much here.
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If Germany makes good on their promises to boost military spending and recruiting, they’d be on track to be one of the largest militaries in the world.
Russia really doesn’t understand that its saber rattling is pointless now.
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@IWTCIEM
Jesus Christ. Dude.
Do you even listen to yourself? Or is it just a straight pipe from your amygdala to your mouth?
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@Natry
Even if the USA had its share of technological advances NOT involving guns, weapons or war, it still doesn’t change the fact that as a country it is still gravely immoral and evil on too many levels. Case in point: Fanta, helicopters, ink erasers, particleboard, public television, scanning electron microscopes, tape recorders and the Richter scale were all invented during the Nazi period of Germany, but it still doesn’t detract from all the oppression and murders committed during that time.
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