Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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@CaptainXtra
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or just pretending. That is the least friendly “handshake” I’ve seen between two country leaders.
Let’s contrast with these!
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Turkey’s “problem” is they don’t like that Finland and Sweden support certain Kurdish political groups that are aligned with Kurdish militants active in and around Turkey. Their protest is a strongarm protest to get those two countries to change course. Do note that Turkey is the only NATO country in decades that’s actually told Russia to fuck off with their little airspace intrusions… by shooting shit down.
The world, and most issues, isn’t a simplistic binary.
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I mean I certainly don’t think think he’s far right… or right at all rather. Seems to me he probably aligns close with someone like Andrew Yang due to MLKs advocacy for a UBI and a jobs program.
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Yes and i don’t blame them. If we take that history lesson than we also need to look at the side that tried to fight growing regime and some of them disappeared never to be seen again. That is of course talking about extreme cases, but i would never blame people not risking their lifes. Not everyone has the courage to put their lifes on the line.
And in our current climate where people who do speak up might end up losing their lifelihood. Either in the moment or 5 years later when someone digs through your social media.
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@WatermelonRat
It’s always fucking wild to me when US conservatives today go “mmm, be more like MLK, sweeatie :)” - cookie-cutter blonde FOX NEWS host #52 on Twitter.
Like… MLK was radical… he wasn’t just spitting hard truths about pervasive racism in America, but about how most americans were indirectly supporting racism by not caring, not wanting to rock the boat, “change will come, don’t rush it :)”, etc.
And that’s completely ignoring all his pro-worker ideals that the US has tried very hard (and mostly succeeded!) at removing from the public consciousness.
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Today we consider him a moderate, and intellectuals at the time may have recognized him as such, but the common person and those in power perceived him as an agitator stirring up trouble. According to the FBI:
In the light of King’s powerful demagogic speech. … We must mark him now if we have not done so before, as the most dangerous Negro of the future in this nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro, and national security.
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@YourPalContrail
The “implication” is that if conservatives view Time magazine as leftists, then Time’s definition of “moderate” can’t be trusted by conservatives to mean the same thing they define as “moderate”.
Time magazine is an American weekly publication that focuses on current events and has a liberal bias.
Time Magazine is clearly biased in favor of left-leaning causes
The above are extremely milquetoast descriptions; one should look at the more mainstream conservative outlets like FOX, Breitbart, OANN, etc. to see what the average real GOP voter thinks about Time.
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There are Nazis in Ukraine, as of February 24, anyway.
For MLK apparently capitalism is to blame, though I might be wrong. It always seems to be capitalism or white nationalism in the US.
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@YourPalContrail
Did I say you couldn’t? I’m just pointing out that a publication conservatives have pegged as being “clearly leftist/liberal” may not be the one you want to support the claim that MLK was a “moderate”.
Travel back in time some decades, see how “moderate” the average american thought MLK was, with all his talk about passive racism and the workers’ struggle. Sure, by today’s standard of “actually, racism really is bad”, what the establishment has allowed to filter through from him does seem moderate, but by the standards of his time… he was a firebrand.
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No one is saying that Ukraine doesn’t have Nazis, but so does Russia and the USA. And last I heard, Russia and the USA has a high ratio than Ukraine does, even before the invasion.
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