Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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@LeoNero  
That comment read like something I’ve heard Certain types, using a lot of the same buzzwords people have used, even on this site use to make their case on why they should be allowed to get away with.
 
That’s why it seems the most likely he’s a troll.
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An Informal Critique of Chavismo
 
Chavismo subordinates constituted power to constituent power by forming nationally funded council structures that employ direct democracy to replace the bourgeois state with the communal state, but this system is frivolous, for they are mistakes to weaken the constituted power, because it’ll be too weak to satisfy all of the constituent power’s demands, and to provide representation for as many individual interests as possible, because of the tyranny inherent in each person; so instead, a few persons representing groups is more practical because, by the tendency of humans to cherry-pick what they think is best for a reason or another, the representatives may represent the interests of the parts they think are best for the whole–supposing the representatives don’t succumb to avarice invoked by the rich as has unfortunately happened to the United States of America whose decay is marked by the absense of any reference to “the Union”–and a stronger government would be districts to filter the interests of the parts, state governments to satisfy the filtered interests of the people of the state, and a national government to unite the states, regulate them, and address national exigencies, so the national government needs a revenue–preferably a revenue from taxing each according to their wealth, a progressive tax system–to fund solutions to national exigencies, such as free, public education, and the state governments to fund businesses for healing peoples within reasonable regulations prescribed by the national government. Such is a federalist state and can aid in abolishing capitalism by taxing to accumulate as much capital as possible within its national bank, but capitalism will not be abolished by a state using Chavismo because of the tyranny in individuals that leads to a group overruling others–satisfying particular appetites and perpetuating capitalism since it, by exploiting the labour of many, mandates exclusive satisfaction–instead of groups being given mere representation, but if one is candid about elected representatives, representation does not exist, but what is extant is a belief harboured by representatives they are representing their peers, and it is this belief that subordinates them to the people, to the general will, restricting their appetites.
 
Federalism is faster at eroding cliffs than Chavismo is at building bridges.
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@Cyborg_pony  
I don’t think anyone really cares about omnipolitics.
 
From what I remember it was originally Pyrocynical who made the video about a pedophile ring circulating Youtube and got talk of a pedophile ring on Youtube started.
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@Hypnosryan  
I just find it ironic the same type of stuff these pedophiles are using to justify what they do, is the same that people like Queer Kids stuff and others to “Allow kids to experience their sexualities”.
 
Let’s be honest; they opened Pandora’s box on this, and now we have to deal with what has come of it.
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@Hypnosryan  
Children shouldn’t even be concerned with being gay, what they’re doing is just putting pressure on them, when they should be concerned with learning basic education.  
Homosexuality usually occurs around puberty when the body become sexually active, and things like that SHOULDN’T be discussed until then.  
They same principal is being used by pedo groups. “If a child knows they’re gay/trans then they must be sexually active” <- That’s what they’ve caused whether they’re willing to admit it. And in many cases have wanted to push sexual situations onto children in a twisted grooming under the guise of anti-bullying, and used the LGBT community™ as a shield to carry this out.  
(Also, declaring monsters that pray on children like the Babaduke and Pennywise as symbols of le LGBTQ+ doesn’t help their case either)
 
Like I said: They opened Pandora’s box.
 
Also I’d like to bring up this Going undercover with an ‘LGTB+’ group about trying to not only get their surgeries paid for, but puberty blockers for children  
Again a comedian did better journalism then actual journalists, because they’re too afraid too because of muh phobe labels, and you might want to watch the whole video before judging it. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but if you really want to help, you’ll see people taking advantage of what progressives have done.
 
I’ll leave with this: A transgender toddler is like a vegan dog. We know who made that decision.
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Kids shouldn’t be discussing about their homosexuality. They should be playing sports outdoors or maybe board games indoors, and focus on their education. Why you people have to bring in kids into this?
 
Teaching kids that it’s fine to be gay is not through words of mouth. It is taught through example. You show your kid about being nice to everyone, and he’ll be nice to everyone even if they’re gay. You don’t make groups and subgroups of people like that. Then the kid would get a wrong impression.
 
Considering how kids absorb information like a sponge, you should be spending your time teaching them to be a decent human being. Teach them a bunch of other stuff before, and they’ll start having a bad attitude.
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@Cyborg_pony
 
That’s not entirely correct. Sexual orientation begins to manifest slightly before puberty, as basic attraction starts to form before puberty (about 1 or 2 years before onset), and can be as early as 9ish for women, and 10-11ish for boys. Even then, puberty starts at 10-14ish for women, and 11-15ish for men. So, all of this occurs in early adolescence. So, yes, we should discuss these things with children in at least that age range, 10 - 16.
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@Cyborg_pony  
Yeah, Steven Crowder video, totally no bias there. Calling him a comedian is like calling Justin Bieber a musician, his humor is about as funny as hanging yourself.
 
Some kids hit puberty earlier than others, this kind of rhetoric is harmful to LGBT kids. And gay doesn’t mean inherently sexual. Even then it’s good to teach kid’s to be accepting of LGBT people.
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@HJSDGCE  
That’s what makes Queer kids stuff so insidious. They can’t for all purposes tell children “Being gay means you either take in the butt, or shuck clams.”
 
No. What they do is far worse.
 
“Being queer means you like someone the same gender as you.”
 
Lindsey is telling kids if they are boys that prefer to play with other boys, or girls that prefers to be around other girls then they’re “queer” This is something Irate bear brought up once where he was messed up into thinking he was bi-sexual. It wasn’t only years after he found out he was, but they way they went about it was manipulative. The same as QKS.
 
The fact people like Lidnsey want children to focus on sexuality should be a giant red flag for anyone.
 
To those out there that say they’re an alley and fight against homophobes. Being a good alley means you have to call out the bad, or else you let it fester. Not just allowing them to do whatever they want because they have letter in this community. If you’re not willing to, they you might actually be the one who’s homophobic, because you’re afraid of what might happen.
 
It wasn’t an easy battle won, and it’ll be impossible to win again if the populous looks at the bigger picture.
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I love the hypocrisy of right wingers that showing heterosexual relationships to Children is ok but the moment something Homosexual is shown to Children they treat it like the end times
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As far as teaching homosexuality to children goes, you should simply avoid teaching it as an inherent character flaw and then incorporate that message with the age appropriate general sex education already in schools. For me, teaching “gay culture” (whatever you wish to call it) to children on the other hand is out of line and some of the stuff at gay parades with children twerking or child drag queens is morally reprehensible and frankly disgusting. It doesn’t mean that every or even most gay families encourages or approves of it, but I’ve yet to find any other occasion or social setting where that kind of behaviour is even close to acceptable – it’s the same as child beauty pageants and it’s all just skeevy as shit.
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@Cyborg_pony  
A response to Crowder’s undercover video. Pay attention to the post 20 minutes mark, and to the argument he makes about gender neutral toys after the 26 minute mark.  
I’ll reiterate my notion that most of these youtube “political celebs” commit frequent mistakes and might be just manichaeistic assholes wanting to “pwn the enemy” instead of people who really want to discuss something.
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@BadgingBadger  
Yeah, I’ve noticed that these YouTube political celebs are bullies who just want to humiliate their enemies. But it’s no different then what politicians do these days.
 
Oh and before anyone screeches “Well TYT is just as bad!” I should point out that I also include them in the bully category, from what I’ve seen all these YouTube political Celebs are bullies who want to make their enemies look like an idiot
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@BadgingBadger  
Oh, it’s Timmy boy.
 
One of Christie winter Male Feminist posse, who are too cowardly to go to a con they don’t run.
 
Let me guess. Bearing is involved with Crowder? He seems to lump him in with anything he doesn’t like, then try to forget he does. By the way, he was watching people in his groups said a dox of him, yet doesn’t know who they are
 
I also find it funny, Timmy has a problem with Crowder belittling people when he and his progressive posse have done the same thing Including people with mental issues While Crowder from what I’ve seen has only mocked people just being a-holes.
 
“He without sin cast the first stone, but our sins are absolved because we’re righteous and progressive!
 
You picked the wrong person to use here, buddy. A blatant hypocrite that shuns what he and his friends do.
 
You want to talk about bias. Look no further.
 
 
@hillbe  
Quite true.
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Discourse is at a decadent, modern stage where little to no truth is told but post-truths, facts that are told by others rather than by experience, which is no less the fault of the modern educational system, for it is a harsh doctrine the more enlightened one is, the more wicked one becomes, though this is the nature of scientific facts as post-truths, sending objective facts into exile by merely saying something exists rather than providing the thing itself, leading to a confusion between facts from experience and facts from others, who harbour facts from experience, and thus an erosion of reason, for reason without experience is of the Platonic world of ideas instead of the world as evolved errors of the intellect, a world that cannot be told of as mostly post-truths lest one risks forming errors upon inherent errors, and people like Amos Yee exemplify this erosion by forming post-truths out of unreplicated truths through himself to his viewers, although there are persons such as Cameron from Libertarian Socialist Rants who circumvent most of the effects of this problem by increasing the number of truths formed into post-truths, so then comes the point that a regiment of thinking is what is missing from political discourse in that discussions are based upon what he or she said and minute details that don’t need mentioning–such as Marxian economist Michael Roberts’s belief in the USA harbouring American imperialism, which doesn’t have any bearing on his data about China’s rising income inequality, though yet some noticed the phrase “American imperialism” and pitched their opposition to that aspect as an objection to the whole, when it really isn’t because the USA’s imperialism is a topic that is not remotely relevant to the thesis, so if you do that kind of whataboutism, you haven’t won the argument, but showed how much of a snowflake you are when it comes to other’s perspectives, opinions, and paradigms–an unregulated circulation of post-truths and inexperienced paradigms that invites the tendency toward reflective winning, toward selfishness, rather than the tendency toward intuitional productivity, toward cooperation, but if education teaches truths, performs experiments from which to one is encouraged to infer truths, rather than teaching post-truths, saying something exists and having one accept a fact without justification and use it without experiencing how the fact came about, then, in the former, intuition is excercised and, in the latter, reflection is exercised, of which intuition, inductive reasoning, is what is essential to using the Scientific Method, to learning truth, and to fostering cooperation by trust.
 
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On the subject of explaining sex to kids, I’ve got some thoughts. As one of the likely few people here who’ve actually had to explain it to children, I’ve got some foresight on the matter.
 
The way I see it is this. Do you wait till after the car wreck to teach someone driver safety? No, same with sex.
 
Now you don’t need to explain the nitty gritty details to young kids, they don’t need to know the how. But they should be familiar with the concept before they start feeling the urges. Teach them what it is, and what it’s for. Explain to them that they may hear the word on TV and in video games, and they may hear adults talking about it. Teach them about the concept of consent, and that it’s a natural part of growing up.
 
Answer their questions, be open and honest, and help them understand this very confusing topic.
 
Once they hit puberty they’ll have a better grasp of the changes and feelings they’ll start having. Then, you can start to get into the more complex and “personal” stuff.
 
Just my two cents.
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Let me guess. Bearing is involved with Crowder?
 
Let me ask. Where was Bearing mentioned in the video, and what does he have to do with it?  
I can understand that no youtube political notable is perfect, but it seems that you are deflecting the main point of the conversation from Crowder’s blatant dihonesty in the adressed video to Tim’s suspected dishonesty away from the addressed video.  
While Crowder from what I’ve seen has only mocked people just being a-holes.
 
So, just because he has caused no direct harm, he is immune from criticism?  
Also, if you say Crowder was just mocking people, then your argument by posting the video is practically blown off the window, since mocking is different from a committed engagement to political discourse. It also kind of proves my point that you people don’t want to discuss, you want to mock.  
The people Crowder was interacting with in the video were not “a-holes”. They were people. People who were willing to discuss their reivindications and willing to talk to him, and people who knew that their political ideas were going to upset some. By accusing us of “belittlement” and then doing the exact same thing that Tom was complaining about in the video, you are proving his point.  
You picked the wrong person to use here, buddy.
 
But the right video.  
He disproves a lot of Crowder said in it, including his misrepresentation of statistics and his jumping to conclusions.  
He mocked people with mental issues
 
I want to know where you got that clip from, when it was posted, what the context was, and if Tim apologised for it if he was being serious.
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@BadgingBadger  
I also want to point out, no one seems to care what Crowder has uncovered. They just seem want to bring up “past sins” in order to discredit him.
 
Crowder: Hey, we uncovered a ring of people plotting a large scale riot with sawed-off shotguns, knives and others things!
 
Progressive: Oh really? Well, Mistah Crowdah I do believe I remember you calling someone a not so flattering name upon the year of one thousand nine hundred ninety three! You are the last person to judge what these innocent and good hearted people who just want RRRRRREPRESENTATION~ and therefore I decree no one shale listen to you, less they be branded untouchables and deplorables!
 
By the way What are the his sources? All I see are Crowder’s, especially since the issue is “these people are trying to use the system to get what they want” and in the undercover video its them saying “We’re trying to use the system to get what we want”
 
Now it just seems to make what I said more playable. He just doesn’t like Steven Crowder, so he’s ignoring what he did and decrying him his heretic.
 
They don’t want to bring up the people in the video. Only what Crowder had said, because “Past sins” and again, from people that believe what they do is righteous, because they do it to bad people.
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I also want to point out, no one seems to care what Crowder has uncovered. They just seem want to bring up “past sins” in order to discredit him.
 
We do care about what Crowder said he “uncovered” in the video. That’s why there’s a video criticizing what he did in the first place, because we do not feel he really did uncover anything useful other than the fact that some people have a specific standard and definition for sex ed, and will advocate for it.  
I did not see that “past blaming” thing happening in the video, either.  
Plus, by complaining about the “past sins tactic”, you are effectively barred from complaining about Tim’s past sins, too.  
Invents a scenario where Crowder does a good thing and the darn progs complain about his past sins
 
And now that you say it, i’m afraid we won’t do it. And i’m afraid it won’t happen. Not with Crowder mishandling his interactions with the people in the convention, who were willing to talk – I (and Tim) disagree with the notion that Crowder “did a good thing” by his visit to that convention.  
(You seem quite obsessed with scripted dialogue and impersonation.)  
By the way What are the his sources? All I see are Crowder’s, especially since the issue is “these people are trying to use the system to get what they want” and in the undercover video its them saying “We’re trying to use the system to get what we want”
 
He used a wiki source in the video to clarify something about a hormone drug, and criticized Crowder’s practical lie about the numbers he showed in the video. Instead of taking it in as presented, Tim tried analyzing the paragraphs Crowder briefly put in his video.  
Tim also put his (and Crowder’s) sources (articles, et al) in his video’s description, just to clarify.
 
Though my class is about to start, so i’ll leave for a bit.
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I actually learned everything about sex by myself. Like, I didn’t have sex education and my parents never talked to me about it. I just found porn on the Internet one day and liked the tingling feeling at my wee wee.
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