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Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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I remember when a dusting of snow brought Atlanta to a screeching halt. When you’re in a part of the country that isn’t used to this shit, it hits hard. Good luck and stay safe.
 
(Meanwhile, I’ve got survivor’s guilt here in Florida, the one state that isn’t freezing its ass off. Except maybe Hawaii.)
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Democratic senator Chris Coons has put up an explanation for why the Dems caved on having witnesses appear in the impeachment trial after fighting to have witnesses appear in the impeachment trial: it was a holiday weekend. They wanted to be home by Valentines.
 
These people are paid our tax dollars to already have one of the most vacation-frequent jobs.
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There were murmurings that the real reason was that if witnesses were allowed then Republicans will bring in a “witness” for every one Dems bring in.
 
A limp-wristed threat I spent all weekend thinking “Go ahead!” over. We saw the quality of argument and lawyers Reps brought to the table throughout the trial; let them continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
 
But alas it wasn’t that. Turns out the real reason was because Dems thought they didn’t get enough days off as is.
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The dems are historically professional losers, completely incapable of running any sort of worthwhile campaign, winning only because the GOP make themselves even less likable every time they get in office, and utterly unwilling to use any power they gain without somehow projectile shitting into their own face.
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Well, Biden proved to all of us once and for all that you can be a literal walking corpse of a human being with irreversibly declining mental and cognitively functional abilities and yet still somehow manage to become president of the United States, so the bar might not be too high for Trump to reach once he becomes 78 in 2024.
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Both are bad. It doesn’t matter whether one is worse than the other. Both are still bad.
 
No dude you don’t get it wanting to abolish democracy and install a dictator is the exact same thing as wanting cops to stop killing minorities /s  
Also, AOC was against Amazon having a place in New York, even though it would’ve created thousands of jobs.
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@Dustcan  
considering what happened a little over a month ago, i find it not hard to blame them, that and i wonder if it would’ve mattered either way considering how blood red the republican party is.
 
 
@Violet Rose in The Rain  
Ya, honestly this is the “Both Sides” shit needs to go, especially if one of the two sides is becoming increasingly similar to Nazi German Party.
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In broad strokes you’re right, but more specifically it’s with regards to the process, not personalities liberals who don’t care how ghoulish the politicians or people in the news are, as long as their ghoulishness is within the rules and protocols of whatever institution they’re a part of.
These are the people who shit all over Trump because he’s an asshole rogue, but love uncle George Bush Jr because despite all the worse things he did, at least he wasn’t an asshole and brought ‘honour’ to the institution of the president. They also don’t have solutions to people’s material concerns beyond what sounds good within the capitalist-corporatist paradigm, hence their focus on race and gender and not class.
 
I see your point. However…
 
To the extent that TvTropes can be used as a barometer of the Sorkinite tendencies you’re referring to (I get most of my news and commentary from there; as toxic as the forums can be, they’re fairly accurate in terms of information), none of the posters there literally favor procedures to the exclusion of everything else, and none of them actually like George W. Bush; they just think that Trump is far worse in terms of his personal qualities, and that his administration would have been even worse than it was (and in their eyes, it was already catastrophic) if the Adults in the Room weren’t holding him back. They don’t negatively compare Trump to Bush to exonerate Bush, but to bemoan how far things have fallen. To them, there’s “bad and corrupt” and there’s “apocalyptic.” Trump was apocalyptic. Were some of their fears unfounded and misplaced? Probably. But they make what they feel are rational choices to support lesser evils.
 
You’re also overstating the extent to which they emphasize racial and gender concerns over class struggles; they view both as important. They do tend to be quite hostile to “brocialists” (and they consider Chapo Trap House brocialist) who view gender and racial issues strictly as extensions of class conflict, but their ranks contain a number of Sanders supporters, and few of them were particularly enthusiastic about Biden.
 
 
The problem I see with your brand of libertarianism is that it effectively rules out any active participation in electoral politics. That’s fine if you’ve devoted yourself to living off the grid and building alternative communities, but those of us who are still tied into the mainstream are trying to find a way to make the system work for us. We don’t want to burn it down.
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Oh, fuck off with that narrative. “The right are Nazis” is a bunch of bullshit. I’m sick and tired of people equating a group they don’t like with Nazis.
 
Guess what? A liberal burned a bunch of conservative books in a library recently. I even posted a link about it here. Not a single one of you cared. LITERAL BOOK BURNING and none of you cared because it didn’t fit your narrative. I’m honestly super disappointed in you right now.
 
Here’s a new rule: Any time you all equating a group with Nazis, I’m throwing out your argument into the trash. It’s stupid as it is and I’m not going to perpetuate that stupidity.
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@Vortaxonus
Oh, fuck off with that narrative. “The right are Nazis” is a bunch of bullshit. I’m sick and tired of people equating a group they don’t like with Nazis.
 
When the crowd that assaulted the Capitol flew literal Nazi flags, you can’t invoke Godwin’s law to dismiss the comparison.
 
Guess what? A liberal burned a bunch of conservative books in a library recently. I even posted a link about it here. Not a single one of you cared. LITERAL BOOK BURNING and none of you cared because it didn’t fit your narrative. I’m honestly super disappointed in you right now.
 
And said “liberal” got fired from his job for it, as he should’ve. What more is there to say?
 
Here’s a new rule: Any time you all equating a group with Nazis, I’m throwing out your argument into the trash. It’s stupid as it is and I’m not going to perpetuate that stupidity.
 
Again, when Mike Godwin himself says the comparison is justified, that kind of wilful ideological blindness only desserves you.  
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@Ereiam  
Ya, to add to this I think Germany itself compared trump to Hitler, so again we even got confirmation from probably the people who knew best about this shit. In fact, Godwin himself said that invoking Godwin’s Law does not mean whoever is invoking it has lost the argument. At this point saying the republican party is increasingly like calling a spade a spade.
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When the crowd that assaulted the Capitol flew literal Nazi flags, you can’t invoke Godwin’s law to dismiss the comparison.
 
Citation needed and essentially comparing Trumpism to nazism is ultra dumb.
 
@Vortaxonus  
@Ereiam
Ya, to add to this I think Germany itself compared trump to Hitler, so again we even got confirmation from probably the people who knew best about this shit. In fact, Godwin himself said that invoking Godwin’s Law does not mean whoever is invoking it has lost the argument. At this point saying the republican party is increasingly like calling a spade a spade.
 
Having studied Nazi Germany and the way Hitler and the Nazi party (NSDAP) came to power, as well as their policies, I can tell you that there is a vast difference between them and what Trump did. How many countries has Trump invaded and annexed? 0. How many world wars has Trump started? 0. How many minorities has Trump put into extermination camps or used execution squads on? 0. How many political opponents has he had arrested or shot? 0. How much territory from neighboring countries was annexed by Trump? 0. How many “undesirables” were executed by hanging in the street, or by being burned alive by the state under Trump? 0. Did Trump turn the USA into a fascistic dictatorship, suspend all elections and the constitution during his time in power? No. And how did Trump get into power? Via democratic process and voting. How did Hitler get into power? Via a backroom deal with Franz Von Papen and Paul Von Hindenburg.
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People have been comparing Trump to Hitler since he first started running. No, they won’t stop, yes it is stupid and childish. It removes any chance of having a real discussion. Just look at what it did here, anyone could have pointed out how Violet’s argument side stepped the question of rioting, but because someone brought up Nazis the whole thing changes.
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