Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)
Kiryu-Chan 
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I mean I live in California so it’ll be blue no matter what, but I still don’t intend on voting Biden. It’s literally 2016 all over again, but instead of “I’m a woman!” or “I’m not Trump!”, now it’s “Obama! Obama!”, okay, but Obama is lower-mid tier at best. I actually want a president who’s, you know, good. Come the general election, I still intend on voting Sanders, as he’s the only guy who actually wants to fucking fix everything, improve my life, and get the US on par with the rest of the fucking developed world
Random-Rambling 
“You want Trump out? Wow. What ambition. Don’t pull a muscle reaching for the fuckin’ stars there. Thank you for really coming through when things finally got bad enough that they started to effect YOU.”
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“You want Trump out? Wow. What ambition. Don’t pull a muscle reaching for the fuckin’ stars there. Thank you for really coming through when things finally got bad enough that they started to effect YOU.”
chef kiss
Random-Rambling
If your state hasn’t already voted, DO IT. Call in sick of you have to, or if you can’t do that, convince your boss to.let you come in earlier, or.later, or work a half-shift. ANYTHING you gotta do.
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I mean I live in California so it’ll be blue no matter what, but I still don’t intend on voting Biden. It’s literally 2016 all over again, but instead of “I’m a woman!” or “I’m not Trump!”, now it’s “Obama! Obama!”, okay, but Obama is lower-mid tier at best. I actually want a president who’s, you know, good. Come the general election, I still intend on voting Sanders, as he’s the only guy who actually wants to fucking fix everything, improve my life, and get the US on par with the rest of the fucking developed world
If your state hasn’t already voted, DO IT. Call in sick of you have to, or if you can’t do that, convince your boss to.let you come in earlier, or.later, or work a half-shift. ANYTHING you gotta do.
Dustcan 
Dogs
@Random-Rambling
California already had their primaries close to 3 weeks ago.
@Kiryu-Chan
Should still vote in the general when it comes around. There’s still House Representatives to vote for every 2 years and California may have a senator or 2 up for reelection this year. Also I’ll rag on Vote Blue No Matter Who all day and night for being the filth ideology it is, but I personally don’t want to say I didn’t try and get Trump out when I had the chance.
California already had their primaries close to 3 weeks ago.
@Kiryu-Chan
Should still vote in the general when it comes around. There’s still House Representatives to vote for every 2 years and California may have a senator or 2 up for reelection this year. Also I’ll rag on Vote Blue No Matter Who all day and night for being the filth ideology it is, but I personally don’t want to say I didn’t try and get Trump out when I had the chance.
Background Human
CHS, Class of 20XX
@Vivace
Politicians go where the votes are. Shit like this is why the Dems don’t bother with the left.
Politicians go where the votes are. Shit like this is why the Dems don’t bother with the left.
The Smiling Pony 
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@Background Human
Yet they really care about primaries in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina, etc. that are lost causes for the dems.
Yet they really care about primaries in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, South Carolina, etc. that are lost causes for the dems.
Dustcan
Dogs
Louisiana and Georgia has delayed their primaries due to the Coronavirus. Louisiana is now on April 20. Didn’t catch when Georgia is now.
Background Human
CHS, Class of 20XX
@The Smiling Pony
As opposed to the critical swing states of… (checks notes)… California and Vermont.
As opposed to the critical swing states of… (checks notes)… California and Vermont.
Vivace
“ShimSham my GlimGlams”
@MethidMan
If there’s gaslighting, it’s by the party loyalists. The further the Overton window gets pushed, the more evil the lesser of 2 gets to be while staying “better” than the opposition. It’s just a race to the bottom that enables yet another Trump to think they have a shot and to take office.
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If there’s gaslighting, it’s by the party loyalists. The further the Overton window gets pushed, the more evil the lesser of 2 gets to be while staying “better” than the opposition. It’s just a race to the bottom that enables yet another Trump to think they have a shot and to take office.
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Getting rid of Trump does not matter unless you take steps to ensure that someone like him doesn’t take power again.Biden is not capable of doing that. Even if he can beat Trump, he can’t fix the problems that led to Trump happening.
“Vote blue no matter who” just lets blue stop caring about you.When withdrawing your support is the only leverage you have, use it. Blind loyalty is for suckers.
when biden does absolutely nothing to change the pre-existing systems of abuse and exploitation that create the anti-establishment sentiments that got trump elected in the first place, thereby allowing it to happen again and quicker, at least you were the reasonable one right?
There’s no then, if the compromise candidate doesn’t get the nomination (Bernie) then the party needs to burn. They are the enablers of the Nazi party, they are the appeasement party.
Dems have worked harder to defeat the movement then they ever have to defeat a republican.
The Smiling Pony
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“Vote blue no matter who” could have put Bloomberg in power, an actual card-carrying republican with proven racist and dehumanizing policies. And also a real billionaire instead of a pretend TV one.
Dustcan
Dogs
Biden has gone on record by saying he’ll only repeal half of Trump’s tax cuts.
A literal half-measure.
A literal half-measure.
Vivace
“ShimSham my GlimGlams”
@MethidMan
Promote good candidates, like Sanders or, even better, Hawkins, who have the people’s interests in mind more than corporate interests, whose non-suckiness is on their own merits instead of just by relativity, and get the corporate thumb out of their ass. If not, die and get supplanted by a party who will do that. I mean, someone who’d vote blue no matter who in the case of a Bloomberg nomination might as well be a Republican.
Promote good candidates, like Sanders or, even better, Hawkins, who have the people’s interests in mind more than corporate interests, whose non-suckiness is on their own merits instead of just by relativity, and get the corporate thumb out of their ass. If not, die and get supplanted by a party who will do that. I mean, someone who’d vote blue no matter who in the case of a Bloomberg nomination might as well be a Republican.
MethidMan
@Vivace
Okay, but what are you gonna do if Biden ends up getting the nomination? Just vote 45 or don’t vote at all and let him win a second term then?
Sure, I’d like Sanders to be our new president, but it’s looking less and less likely for him. At least get Trump out first, then shit all over the corporate dems.
Okay, but what are you gonna do if Biden ends up getting the nomination? Just vote 45 or don’t vote at all and let him win a second term then?
Sure, I’d like Sanders to be our new president, but it’s looking less and less likely for him. At least get Trump out first, then shit all over the corporate dems.
Vivace
“ShimSham my GlimGlams”
@MethidMan
I’ll vote Green. Yeah, I’d go 3rd party. If not, who will? The rhetoric that “it’s just throwing your vote away” does nothing but perpetuate a 2-party system and let the mainstream parties just coast.
I’ll vote Green. Yeah, I’d go 3rd party. If not, who will? The rhetoric that “it’s just throwing your vote away” does nothing but perpetuate a 2-party system and let the mainstream parties just coast.
Background Human
CHS, Class of 20XX
@Vivace
Plurality voting and winner-take-all states perpetuate a two-party system. The rhetoric merely acknowledges the reality.
The only way to change that reality is by changing the way we vote, and the only way to do that is by getting people who support that change elected… under the current rules.
Plurality voting and winner-take-all states perpetuate a two-party system. The rhetoric merely acknowledges the reality.
The only way to change that reality is by changing the way we vote, and the only way to do that is by getting people who support that change elected… under the current rules.
Vivace
“ShimSham my GlimGlams”
@Background Human
The rhetoric is used to discourage voting against the mainstream & against changing the way we vote.
The rhetoric is used to discourage voting against the mainstream & against changing the way we vote.
Background Human
CHS, Class of 20XX
@Vivace
If anything, it’s used as an argument for getting rid of plurality voting. Fewer wasted votes = more incentive to show up.
Until then, voting “against the mainstream” means one of two things: the Republicans win and owe you nothing, or the Democrats win and owe you nothing.
If anything, it’s used as an argument for getting rid of plurality voting. Fewer wasted votes = more incentive to show up.
Until then, voting “against the mainstream” means one of two things: the Republicans win and owe you nothing, or the Democrats win and owe you nothing.
Background Pony #45D1
“Vote blue no matter who” could have put Bloomberg in power, an actual card-carrying republican with proven racist and dehumanizing policies.
Not really. Not unless Bloomberg had somehow won the nomination. And that would only have happened if the vast majority of people voting in these primaries had wanted him as the nominee, which clearly is not the case.
I mean it’s been pointed out here before that, regardless of what the party leaders may want, there really isn’t a way for them to make the votes for candidates go a certain way. Bernie is still a possible option because he has a fair amount of support from those who like his policies and what he has to say about the current state of politics (a lot of them younger voters). And Biden, whether you think it’s deserved or not, has had a great deal of support from the African American community (one of the Democratic party’s most loyal demographics) and from states with more moderate (American moderate) leanings. And there was an excellent chance the nomination was always going to come down to one of those options because the party itself falls along those lines… one side more progressive, one side more establishment/moderate.
So yeah, I don’t particularly care for the sentiment either, but I can’t fault them for advocating people vote for whichever candidate the most members of the party want in.
@MethidMan
I mean it’s been pointed out here before that, regardless of what the party leaders may want, there really isn’t a way for them to make the votes for candidates go a certain way. Bernie is still a possible option because he has a fair amount of support from those who like his policies and what he has to say about the current state of politics (a lot of them younger voters). And Biden, whether you think it’s deserved or not, has had a great deal of support from the African American community (one of the Democratic party’s most loyal demographics) and from states with more moderate (American moderate) leanings. And there was an excellent chance the nomination was always going to come down to one of those options because the party itself falls along those lines… one side more progressive, one side more establishment/moderate.
So yeah, I don’t particularly care for the sentiment either, but I can’t fault them for advocating people vote for whichever candidate the most members of the party want in.
@MethidMan
@Vivace
Okay, but what are you gonna do if Biden ends up getting the nomination? Just vote 45 or don’t vote at all and let him win a second term then?Sure, I’d like Sanders to be our new president, but it’s looking less and less likely for him. At least get Trump out first, then shit all over the corporate dems.
Exactly. My two picks from the get go were always either Warren or Sanders, and I still would love to have one of them as the nominee over any of the other options. But if it’s gotta be Biden, I’d take him any day of the week over four more years of Donald Trump.
Because the thing about electing Biden (again, should he get the nomination) is, it’s not just about electing Biden. It’s about putting people back in cabinet positions who have competence… who have loyalty to their positions, and to the duties and laws that govern those positions, not just blind fealty to that D-list celebrity and utter idiot currently in the oval office. And yes, I know not all of the possible options Biden is considering are great, but there are a fair number who would be better in any way than the incompetents and leeches we have now.
And it’s not just cabinet positions. There’s the judicial system too. It’s keeping Trump from having four more years to bring in incompetent judges who got the position by being entirely in support of him. It’s keeping Trump from, God help us, a third supreme court nomination, should the worst happen. Or, hey, wouldn’t it be nice to have a president who doesn’t throw the entire intelligence community under the bus because Putin said so? Or who actually has a decent chance of listening to the people who provide information? And what about diplomacy? Remember when we had that? And… seriously, I can’t list it all. There’s a thousand little things that never get mentioned because we’ve just gone numb already to how bad everything is all the time now.
And that’s kind of what I’m getting at here. I mean, I get it, really. I get why people don’t want Biden to be the nominee, and think the “vote blue” thing is dumb and all of that. But there is so much more at stake than just who sits in the oval office the next four years.
@Background Human
Because the thing about electing Biden (again, should he get the nomination) is, it’s not just about electing Biden. It’s about putting people back in cabinet positions who have competence… who have loyalty to their positions, and to the duties and laws that govern those positions, not just blind fealty to that D-list celebrity and utter idiot currently in the oval office. And yes, I know not all of the possible options Biden is considering are great, but there are a fair number who would be better in any way than the incompetents and leeches we have now.
And it’s not just cabinet positions. There’s the judicial system too. It’s keeping Trump from having four more years to bring in incompetent judges who got the position by being entirely in support of him. It’s keeping Trump from, God help us, a third supreme court nomination, should the worst happen. Or, hey, wouldn’t it be nice to have a president who doesn’t throw the entire intelligence community under the bus because Putin said so? Or who actually has a decent chance of listening to the people who provide information? And what about diplomacy? Remember when we had that? And… seriously, I can’t list it all. There’s a thousand little things that never get mentioned because we’ve just gone numb already to how bad everything is all the time now.
And that’s kind of what I’m getting at here. I mean, I get it, really. I get why people don’t want Biden to be the nominee, and think the “vote blue” thing is dumb and all of that. But there is so much more at stake than just who sits in the oval office the next four years.
@Background Human
Until then, voting “against the mainstream” means one of two things: the Republicans win and owe you nothing, or the Democrats win and owe you nothing.
Pretty much. It sucks, but no third party is going to win in 2020. That’s just not going to happen. So the only real question becomes whether you want Trump to remain in office four more years. It’s literally the only choice.
MethidMan
@Vivace
I swear, if we get 4 more years of 45 and more shitty judges because it turns out there were enough people like you who could’ve voted against him and given us the lesser evil and less shitty judges down the road but instead chose to throw their vote away on a third-party candidate, I’m blaming the sinking ship on you all.
I used to think just like you when it came to third-party candidates. Then 2016 happened.
I swear, if we get 4 more years of 45 and more shitty judges because it turns out there were enough people like you who could’ve voted against him and given us the lesser evil and less shitty judges down the road but instead chose to throw their vote away on a third-party candidate, I’m blaming the sinking ship on you all.
I used to think just like you when it came to third-party candidates. Then 2016 happened.
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