Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

Amethyst_Crystal
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@neutralgrey  
I just hope that Sanders’ populism of love ends up stronger than Trump’s populism of hate.  
And that people aren’t so empty and hollow they will vote corporate overlord bloomberg just cause of fucking commercials.
 
@Dustcan  
At least all the publicity surrounding Sanders now, whether positive or negative towards him and his campaign, is helping spread his message and popularity. The ‘Streisand effect’ (aka ‘lets talk about this bad thing/person you didnt know about, so now you are curious and will go learn more’) is very real and politics, and neither politicians or the media seem to get it, despite their best efforts.
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So uh, quick question but what’s the deal with Centrist supporting people.
This guy’s depressed because he sees a candidate that wants to make promises and try to fulfill them? I genuinely do not understand people like this..? I mean, how pathetic does a person have to be when they gather at an establishment candidate’s rally and they hold hands pretty much say, “Better things are impossible.”
Look at how much we’ve progressed and gotten and this guy here is just… it literally boggles my mind how stupid this is…
 
Well… I don’t speak for that guy, but my reading of what he says is “Bernie is promising things that he knows damn well he will never be able to deliver, ever, ever, ever.”
 
Anyone can stand on a podium and say “elect me and everybody’s going to get free beer, and a pony, and a blowjob from a supermodel every other Wednesday.” It isn’t “mindboggling” to hear that and say “wait a minute here, this raises additional questions.” It isn’t even cynical. It’s appropriate.
 
If you don’t hear that list of promises and hear the TVtropes “record scratch” sound in your head and say to yourself “wait a minute, am I being put on here?” then your faith in your fellow man generally and in people who want to have power over you in particular greatly exceeds mine.
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@Background Pony #3C54  
And yet the feds pour trillions of dollars in the fucking military-industrial complex, the prison industry, the drug/pharm industry, the big fat medical insurance scam industry, every year. Not billions: trillions! Not to mention the richest 1% that get to pay almost jack shit in taxes, by comparative percentage, if not literally.
 
People like Sanders and Warren are rightfully pointing out we already have the money to make life better for american citizens, we just need to pry it from the greedy fuckers who don’t want to share even a fraction of a percent of it because their fucking $$$ is too sacred.
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@Background Pony #3C54  
Granted I acknowledge that it will be a miracle if Bernie achieves at least one of his promises, however I would vote for Bernie any day of the goddamn week rather than vote for any of the clowns vying for power now. The good ones like Yang have left and now it’s just snakes trying to be president, Bernie seems like an actually OK politician. By that I mean I will be genuinely surprised if I find out he ordered a hit on someone the way Trump did
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@neutralgrey  
I think Warren is the only other one I am optimistic about, she’s still pretty aggressive towards all the corporate interest bastards. I know there’s been some (supposed) bad blood between her and Sanders recently, but I’m not going to worry about that just yet.
 
I hardly even know Klobuchar, I admit, but Biden & Buttiegeg are jst the same old corporate-sponsored boring crap we have had for decades, as far as I can tell.
 
Bloomberg, as I’ve already discussed a few posts ago, is a rich scumbag who’s as hateful as Trump but smarter, so fuck no.
 
Also a fuck no to Tulsi Gabbard, Fox News and Russia’s favorite asset in the democratic party. at least she’s going nowhere in the polls, so that bitch is hardly worth discussing.
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I don’t doubt that Bernie will be lucky to get even half of his ideas half-implemented. But you know what they say about shooting for the moon.
 
I’ll rag on Bernie’s presidency if he does prove incapable of fulfilling his promises, but even then promising everything and being compromised down to half-measures is a improvement over promising half-measures and compromising down to nothing.
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@Dustcan  
This is absolutely the case.
 
And also, we can’t forget that it’s not just the president being elected this november, it’s a ton of senators, ALL the house reps, and many, many smaller yet still important positions in local state governments.
 
If Sanders makes enough of a national impression, then many pro-Sanders politicians might be hired at the same time he is, and his goals will become that much more likely a reality.
 
Also, and I don’t know too much about it, but he’s supposedly known as a great negotiator for getting bills passed in the senate, or something like that. Well, before Moscow Mitch decided to stop doing fucking anything useful in the senate after the 2018 election, anyway. Would be nice to vote him out too, Kentucky.
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@Amethyst_Crystal
 
There are 12 Democrat Senate seats up for reelection and 23 Republican seats. And in 2022 midterms there’ll be 2 more Rep seats up for grabs but 0 Dem seats. The Dems need only a net gain of 4 seats to retake the Senate. Just as importantly Moscow Mitch’s (and Lindsay Graham) seat is one of them. It’s a longshot, but there’s real possibility of not only taking the Senate, but also 2 opportunities to oust McTurtle’s position of Senate Majority Leader.
 
And Bernie’s nicknamed the “Amendment King” in the Senate for having passed the most number of amendments during Republican control, as well as being 4th place on total number of amendments passed across a career. So yeah he knows his way around legislation.
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@Amethyst_Crystal  
I have no idea why you’re angry at me. I’m not the one making mathematically, economically, and politically impossible promises of infinite free everything for everybody forever in order to buy the votes of people who can’t do basic arithmetic.
 
“Vote for me and I’ll give you free stuff” has always been a lie, anyway. The government doesn’t have any free stuff to give away. Every cent the government has was extorted at the point of a bayonet from someone who works for a living. It’s a funny thing. We used to put politicians in jail when they were caught trying to buy votes. But since the 1930s it’s been a political platform.
 
Oh, and almost 90% of the US government budget is already either interest on the national debt or welfare checks in various forms–Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AFDC, WIC. Despite being at war, we’re spending quite a bit less, proportionally, on “the military-industrial complex” than we did in the 1950s and 60s.
 
Now, do I think we could do with a little–or a lot–less military spending? Yes. I think we should bring US troops home from foreign deployments worldwide and stop throwing money and lives away to prop up whatever gang of bandits is claiming to be the legitimate government of Afghanistan this week. I think the South Koreans are more than capable of taking care of themselves. I think the Germans no longer have enormous Russian armies on their borders and no longer need us to protect them. I think I don’t care which Taliban faction controls which province of Afghanistan enough to see more Americans die there.
 
I think NATO has served no purpose since the USSR collapsed and no longer had fourteen mechanized army groups on the borders of West Germany, Italy, and Austria waiting for the order to come down to roll west, and the US would be better off without it. If they are still afraid of Russia, well, France, Germany, and the UK alone have 50% more total population than Russia does and their totaled GDPs sum to nine times Russia’s. If anything the Russians should be afraid of them.
 
I think there are some particularly stupid Cold War leftover projects that have been bottomless money pits for decades–see also, the F35 strike fighter, a 1980s design that still isn’t ready for service after 35 years, which supposedly exists to replace the 1960s-era F111 in the role of high-speed low-level deep tactical nuclear strike missions against Soviet military logistical centers in Warsaw Pact nations and western portions of the USSR. This mission no longer exists.
 
That having been said, if you zeroed out the DoD’s budget completely, disbanded the US military, laid everyone off, and turned the Pentagon into a Denny’s, it wouldn’t even balance the budget. That would take either raising taxes to a degree that would shut the economy down completely or doing away with Social Security and Medicare. One or the other of these things is going to have to happen at some point, because the Chinese aren’t going to continue to loan us trillions of dollars at a time so that we can have a universal old-age pension, not forever, anyway. Or we could just fire up the printing presses and print money with nothing to back it but promises from politicians, which worked out so well in the Weimar Republic.
 
The real world is complicated. I am wary of “solutions” that fit on a bumper sticker.
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@Background Pony #3C54  
except America has given billionaires ‘free stuff’ in tax breaks and bailouts, union busting bills and of course very profitable wars and more since the 70s.
 
There is plenty of room in the budget for Bernie’s ‘free stuff’ I assure you, especially since medicare for all saves everyone including the government money.
 
Billionaires pay less tax than you, what more do you want those parasites to take from you? We already had 2008 that has not been recovered from, another crash looms, and you want to just keep letting them fuck you raw?
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I have no idea why you’re angry at me. I’m not the one making mathematically, economically, and politically impossible promises of infinite free everything for everybody forever in order to buy the votes of people who can’t do basic arithmetic.
 
Never enough money to take care of your fellow American but more than enough to give the rich money - engaging in Corporate Socialism. More than enough to fund costly wars that kill your fellow Americans and line the coffers of the military industrial complex.
 
Stop lying.
 
“Vote for me and I’ll give you free stuff” has always been a lie, anyway. The government doesn’t have any free stuff to give away. Every cent the government has was extorted at the point of a bayonet from someone who works for a living. It’s a funny thing. We used to put politicians in jail when they were caught trying to buy votes. But since the 1930s it’s been a political platform.
 
How about you actually listen to what Sanders’ platform is instead of defaulting to the Socialist talk that morons tend to use? First of all, we can easily fund his promises by actually taxing the rich and perhaps taking away some of those funds from our bloated military budget.
 
What you’re accusing Sanders of is literally what other politicians are doing or at least trying to do. In the case of Ratty Pete Bootybutt, he forged the endorsements of prominent African Americans for his “plan” that’s supposed to help Minorities.
 
Michael Bloomberg used prison labor for his campaign previously and is using his money to skip through the whole candidate process and put himself out there.
 
Don’t even try to come at anyone of us with that garbage when you have other people actually doing what you accused Sanders of.
 
Oh, and almost 90% of the US government budget is already either interest on the national debt or welfare checks in various forms—Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AFDC, WIC. Despite being at war, we’re spending quite a bit less, proportionally, on “the military-industrial complex” than we did in the 1950s and 60s.
 
Dude, I don’t care whether we spent more 50 years ago than we did today which I seriously doubt. The point of the matter is that we’re still spending too much with the wars in the Middle East costing us billions, probably higher.
 
Compare the military budget to other budgets. Its massively bloated and we spend much, much higher than all other superpowers combined.
 
That having been said, if you zeroed out the DoD’s budget completely, disbanded the US military, laid everyone off, and turned the Pentagon into a Denny’s, it wouldn’t even balance the budget. That would take either raising taxes to a degree that would shut the economy down completely or doing away with Social Security and Medicare. One or the other of these things is going to have to happen at some point, because the Chinese aren’t going to continue to loan us trillions of dollars at a time so that we can have a universal old-age pension, not forever, anyway. Or we could just fire up the printing presses and print money with nothing to back it but promises from politicians, which worked out so well in the Weimar Republic.
 
Oh god. You’re one of those people. You realize how much damage cutting away social security and medicaid would do? Do you realize how many seniors were in poverty before social security?
 
Social Security was invented so that people could still have some form of social security to their social safety net in times when situations completely out of their control happens. Y’know, like say some nutjob going 50mph? Old age? Natural disasters? Think that’s just a cool name?
 
The 1930s had the US almost collapse and poverty was everywhere. Its like history happens and then we suddenly forget it and it repeats.
 
Its like those weirdos that want unregulated capitalism but forget the times before the Clayton Anti-Trust law and before the abolition of child labor. We have to constantly remind them that we already tried unregulated capitalism but they just won’t shut up.
 
I also do not believe that you should bring up the Weimar Republic in this example as they were footed the bill of repairing most of Europe destroyed in WWI and wrongfully blamed for the reason why WWI happened. The Archduke was assassinated and that’s what lead to the war - not Germany.
 
@dissociativity  
How much ya wanna bet that he’s secretly into that?
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Taxing the rich and taking money from the military budget would not pay for his policies.
Amethyst_Crystal
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@Amethyst_Crystal
I have no idea why you’re angry at me.
 
But I’m not angry at you? I never singled you out, I just replied to you. I’m angry at the billionaires.
 
At worst I’m disappointed in your incorrect info, but unless you a willing shill or troll, then you shouldn’t feel bad about that. Nobody knows everything. Plus, I said before I’m going to stop getting angry at people on a forum thread or elsewhere politically. Doesn’t mean I have to stop being angry at billionaires or other assholes trying to fuck politics over for everyone.
 
 
Also, here is my new favorite visual comparing why billionaires truly have way more than they need and deserve, just takes a second to see the extreme contrast:
 
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50k = 1 block … 1m = 20 blocks … 1b = 20,000 blocks
 
And this is considering how many Americans will never have 50k cash/assets/‘worth’ all at once, in their whole lives. Some will never have 10k, or even 5k on hand, because they’re all too busy trying to survive with what money they do earn. To many americans, even having 1k or 2k of extra ‘disposable’ cash is a blessing, yet that’s basically pocket change to the billionaires.
 
It’s all absurd. Next time someone whines about Bernie Sanders being a millionaire (net worth $2 million, aka 40 blocks), please show them this chart, and ask them if they think Bloomberg is okay… the guy who has over $61 billion, aka 1.2 million blocks!
 
And if so, ask how much they were paid, or ask why they let themselves be swayed by stupid commercials. Pocket change to bloomberg, I’m sure. Americans need to learn to think for themselves, not be sheep for the rich.
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@Vivace  
No, I was replying to the post above me. He asked for a source for my claims. Bernies policies will be very expensive and funding them won’t come from just the rich and cuts elsewhere in the budget.
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@Amethyst_Crystal  
Tulsi is out of the race though right?
 
Also, just cause Russia would be ok if she becomes president doesn’t mean she’s in bed with Russia. Remember that Russia wanted Obama to be president and wants Bernie to be president. Why? Cause they don’t want a politician who will be hostile to them
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U mad?
I think there are some particularly stupid Cold War leftover projects that have been bottomless money pits for decades–see also, the F35 strike fighter, a 1980s design that still isn’t ready for service after 35 years, which supposedly exists to replace the 1960s-era F111 in the role of high-speed low-level deep tactical nuclear strike missions against Soviet military logistical centers in Warsaw Pact nations and western portions of the USSR. This mission no longer exists.
 
The F-111 has been out of service since 1996. The F-35 was supposed to replace the F-16, FA-18, F-117, Harrier, and A-10 (which it can’t do, especially the A-10).
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