Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

@Mikey  
Not entirely sure what other economic system we could use though.

@Penguin Dragneel  
Humanity has had different economic systems for centuries  
Capitalism as we know it today only truly emerged in the 19th century(simplified version), before that it was feudalism(in Europe)  
Before civilization itself, we had hunting and gathering societies

@Penguin Dragneel  
Democratic socialism honestly, what Bern is pushing.

@Mikey  
Ive been out of the loop for the 2020 election so far. What’s that?

@Penguin Dragneel  
It’s how practically every country in Europe operates; capitalism with progressive taxes, government operated and/or subsidized healthcare and education, and worker protection.
 
Basically if you get hit by a bus in Europe, you don’t pay anything in medical care, you don’t need to burn through your child’s college fund because that shit’s “free”, and your job will be waiting for you once you’re back on your feet in two months. The cost is higher income and sales tax. (and yes, you will still be financially compensated by the bus company and can sue their britches off)

@The Smiling Pony  
This^^^

It would also require large tax increases and/or running a deficit that could eventually cause larger problems down the road.

Though, to be fair, Bernie would be lucky to get one of his policies put in place, and it would be watered down in some way.

@Patachu  
But the corporation has more rifles. Sometimes a whole army’s worth. And lawyers who can make other’s property their’s without the others understanding or having a real choice.
 
In man parts of the world, the market is far from free. And the industries of the (relatively) freer parts depend on it.

@Background Pony #C50D  
“maybe larger problems down the road”<<< “definite huge problems right now”

@Background Pony #C50D
 
Actually according to right wing think tanks estimates “Free healthcare” would save the tax payer approximately $2 trillion over 10 years. According to left wing think tank estimates the savings would be $5 trillion.
 
Yes your taxes will be higher, but with the removal of insurance premiums and deductibles and other For Profit middlemen the individual tax payer actually saves more money (on top of, you know, actually using the now free-at-use healthcare).
 
Basically not only does Medicare For All pay for itself, it’ll pay for other programs.

@Latecomer  
When I say problems down the road I mean possible collapse and extreme poverty. It isn’t guaranteed, but it is a correlation we have seen consistently. I know someone will want to say correlation != causation, which is true, but you don’t really have opportunities to consistently test theories in economics like you do in other fields.
 
 
@Dustcan  
Not entirely accurate that all sides agree it will save money overall.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/10/upshot/medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders-cost-estimates.html
 
His healthcare policy is more extreme then many single payer systems around the world that are currently having trouble. Implementing in the US would be extremely costly, and with how the system is right now, and with our politicians as corrupt as they are, would probably be plagued with a ton of problems.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/01/16/is-the-u-s-too-corrupt-for-single-payer-health-care/
 
Even beyond outright corruption you run into the problem that a large portion of the US simply doesn’t want it. His current policy is simply not politically feasible.
 
Additionally, that is one policy of his. When you add in the others it will increase the price tag we will have to pay.

@Background Pony #C50D  
Only if you only think of black and white numbers on a balance sheet and don’t consider “caring for people” and “supporting society” to be particularly important, as I was talking about earlier…

@Background Pony #E420  
The problem is those two points are subjective and people may be hesitant to pay more in costs to do it. Their is a point for everyone where the cost is too great. Their is an argument to be made though, and a few studies out there, that show the benefit of not having to worry over healthcare costs is a measurable benefit to the whole country, so Bernie would need to convince people that that benefit outweighs any additional cost to them.

@Background Pony #C50D  
I am putting my foot down on this issue, I won’t stand it any longer. It’s clear that we have the labor and material resources to actually take care of our own, the only reason we aren’t is because of neoliberals and conservatives griping about the finances. Fuck finances, we want to live.

@Background Pony #E420  
“fuck finances”  
No. Wat’s your plan? Toss out the entire price model we have and allocate the resources to purposes you think they would be better used at? That’s awfully arrogant and something that has repeatedly failed.

@Background Pony #A63C  
You have already demonstrated that you’re absolutely happy with people dying of completely preventable causes. I have no interest in your opinion on this matter.

@Background Pony #E420  
I’m not happy with anyone dying, i’m just explaining that good intentions are not enough. Their is a point where we have to face reality. Is a medicare for all system physically possible? Yes, but like anything the costs can’t be ignored.

@Background Pony #A63C  

 
Then you will agree that making someone like Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg live in one house and one house only is well worth the cost for having viable public infrastructure in all areas, including universal health care

@AaronMk  
I do not.

@Background Pony #A63C  

 
Then why defend an inefficient system?

@Background Pony #A63C  
>zuckerberg owning 8 mansions is more important than saving the lives of thousands that die of preventable causes each day
 
Fuck poor people amirite?

@Background Pony #A63C  
The costs can be supplemented if you actually raised your taxes on the rich (rather than giving them tax cuts) and implemented a national insurance system like the UK has with the NHS (which is free to the point of use and has been operating for over 71 years since 1948 (during the time when a socialist government was elected to power from 1945 until 1950)). So yeah, stating that it “has repeatedly failed” is incorrect, Background Pony A63C.

@AaronMk
 
 
@The Smiling Pony
 
No system will be 100% efficient. Protecting their rights in this case is more important to me.

@Background Pony #E9EA  
Bernies plan is medicare for all, raising taxes on the rich will not pay for it. Also my comments on it not working was not directed toward single payer health plans, it was directed toward centrally planned economies.