Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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Except Obama had an actual popular majority to elect him in 2012.  
Like George W. Bush before him, Trump only managed to win because of that stupid backward system that is the electoral college (which, after having been pointless throughout the whole 20th century, only came back in use twice in the past two decades, each time to allow a Republican dumbass to steal the election from the people’s favored candidate).
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I find it funny that those who say “If you didn’t vote, you have NO right to complain,” are usually the ones that voted these politicians in office.
 
It’s a winner take all system. Whoever wins an election means that they won over all the non-participants in the same election, since their non-action counts as a vote for the winner.
 
So while Trump was elected on less than one half of a quarter percent on the population, everyone who didn’t or doesn’t vote in reality ends up being counted for him because he won the state by simply having the most votes, and the nuance of the electorate isn’t counted. Same applies to Obama, Bush, Clinton, and so on.
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what annoys me about it even more, as a person who lives in the US, is that a lot of those people who don’t vote have the reasoning that “Oh, my vote doesn’t really matter in the end, so why bother?”
And yet, we have politicians trying to gerrymander and disenfranchise voters here, to keep them from voting or literally pick their voter base. It’s so infuriating; politicians wouldn’t do that if your vote was irrelevent
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@AaronMk  
I wish blank ballots were counted as part of the final result. If people were allowed the means to express their rejection of the candidates in presence while still being able to perform their electoral duty, maybe that’d make voter turnouts higher (at least you could legitimately say of abstainers that they were the ones in the wrong in that case).
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@AaronMk
I wish blank ballots were counted as part of the final result. If people were allowed the means to express their rejection of the candidates in presence while still being able to perform their electoral duty, maybe that’d make voter turnouts higher (at least you could legitimately say of abstainers that they were the ones in the wrong in that case).
 
Abstaining would have to have some effect. Like having even some number of absentions below even half the population would void the entire election and force it to start over with candidates searching how to reach them or new ones joining in. Any election with a 75% blank ballot rate would or should rightfully be considered an invalid election, since they may still end up voting for whoever wins the non-abstaining vote.
 
You could pull it off with a preferential voting style though. So even if people come in just to mark “abstain” or draw a giant penis on your ballot in protest at least also there’s an option that nothing is wasted when you come in and just list your votes by preference, so I can still cast a vote for the Black Roses and whomever and don’t need to worry about it being a total wash.
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Trump just made fun of a 16 year old with Aspergers.
 
Imagine thinking this is in any way acceptable.
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@Mikey  
Maybe, but he’s president. Because people voted for him.  
Everything is the decision of the people. The majority, in everything. Active, in democracy - or passive, since the people do nothing and allows a minority to control them.  
Even in terms of consumerism, the thing to blame is not “X built a monopoly how we will destroy it? Ah I forgot. I buy X’s products because I’m too lazy to move to W, Y and Z and all the rest”
 
 
@SombrLiz  
I hear this one often, and my candidate didn’t made it. It’s always on the late the people are like “But it should have not been like this!”
 
@Ereiam  
Yes, that would be a good thing, and force the politics to be more conscious of the integrity of the population.
 
 
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Bush invaded Iraq and started a war. Obama continued them. Trump made fun of disabled people. At this point it’s fucking nothing. «but he made fun of Greta» So fucking what?
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@Mikey  
I care about every politics, the ones we have here are kind of boring.
 
 
@The Smiling Pony  
obviously.  
About 3 million votes, the thing is more complicated because not all states are populated equally. It’s like we’d be voting for a president of the EU (which would be a bit more democratic if we could… only a bit) but the way it would be counted would mean a small but populated country like Luxembourg or Belgium would change everything the way it is counted, instead of state-by-state.
 
@CaptainXtra  
Yeah why am I even posting about a country that’s not mine?  
Macron still tries to push soc-called social reforms, worsening the anger of the majority of the population
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Not entirely true. The US President is the commander-in-cheif of the US military (arguably one of the most powerful militaries.) And the US dollar is the world’s de facto reserve currency (you need them to trade for oil.)
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@Mikey  
In fact, yes, we are more or less affected, and I’m keeping an eye on these deals with China. Which is Trump’s biggest mistake ongoing.  
Dealing is cute, but you cannot deal with everyone. Just for the same reason a Boris cannot really deal with the EU.
 
So may we like it or not, the US’s influence is too important. Other countries are influential so we sadly have to take everything as a whole.
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obviously.
About 3 million votes, the thing is more complicated because not all states are populated equally. It’s like we’d be voting for a president of the EU (which would be a bit more democratic if we could… only a bit) but the way it would be counted would mean a small but populated country like Luxembourg or Belgium would change everything the way it is counted, instead of state-by-state.
 
Luxembourg isn’t really a good example, since the country’s population is a mere 600,000 (barely 0.1% of the EU’s total population). Belgium is a little more accurate, since it’s the 9th most populated European country.  
But having an electoral college similar to the US in the EU would mean that a candidate could be getting a majority of the popular vote in Germany, France, UK and Italy (four countries totaling more than half of the European population by themselves) and not even making an effort to campaign in the rest (or alternatively win any of those four along with the next nine to eleven most populated, so not even half of the 28) to win the election with a theoretical score as low as 25% of the total vote (in the US, you’d need to secure the ten most populated states for that).
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Trump won because of the outdated electoral college. He had to cheat, and he still lost the popular vote by 3 million.
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Fun fact: Bush lost the 2000 election. Both the popular vote and the electoral college. But between the Supreme Court ending the Florida recount too early and Al Gore having the integrity to admit defeat too early we handed the presidency to the dumbass that allowed 9/11 and subsequent War on Terror to happen.
 
We live in the wrong timeline.
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@Dustcan  
About 9/11 though, just for the sake of playing devil’s advocate, was it really Bush’s fault (who had been president for eight months at that point) that the FBI and CIA repeatedly failed to act on the multiple reports they received about the imminent terrorist threat, or that the delay between the FAA noticing the hijackings and NORAD giving jets the scramble order made it too late to stop them?
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