Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)
Ereiam 
Monde de merde
@MethidMan
Sounds rather like an updated version of Niccolò Machiavelli’s The Prince to me.
Sounds rather like an updated version of Niccolò Machiavelli’s The Prince to me.
Background Pony #5040
@AaronMk
To be fair you going into full shitposting mode in the middle of at least semi serious conversation and not just as response to someone posting some infowars level idiocy is pretty jarring.
To be fair you going into full shitposting mode in the middle of at least semi serious conversation and not just as response to someone posting some infowars level idiocy is pretty jarring.
Dustcan 
Dogs
@Background Human
I think only like 6 have qualified for the next debate. Yang apparently hasn’t.
Shame. He had no chance since the beginning but he was still my third choice.
I think only like 6 have qualified for the next debate. Yang apparently hasn’t.
Shame. He had no chance since the beginning but he was still my third choice.
Moving On 
I just need to know which US presidents from Nixon to Obama have been associated with conservatism for a project. The only way I can demonize conservatives is to get reliable sources to prove my statement.
dissociativity
@JasonRatana
Associated with, or actual policy?
Because all of them have been right wing, even if some of them didn’t want to kill gay people.
Associated with, or actual policy?
Because all of them have been right wing, even if some of them didn’t want to kill gay people.
dissociativity
@Vivace
Obama didn’t really do anything that wasn’t conservative except gay marriage tho.
He was pretty much spectacle over substance when it came to anything remotely left wing.
Lots of bombing civilians and deporting immigrants.
Let me know when you get a president that stops the war on drugs and doesn’t do those things, then we can talk about them not being conservative.
Sanders would be a start.
Obama didn’t really do anything that wasn’t conservative except gay marriage tho.
He was pretty much spectacle over substance when it came to anything remotely left wing.
Lots of bombing civilians and deporting immigrants.
Let me know when you get a president that stops the war on drugs and doesn’t do those things, then we can talk about them not being conservative.
Sanders would be a start.
AaronMk 
Well, Reagan is largely associated with the modern strain of conservatism of small government and de-regulation of the market. His greatest hits including a business policy that saw greater wealth pooling at the top of the hierarchy as regulations were taken out and the realm of possibilities broadened for big business now they were in a freer environment. This created the world of the Jack Welches, who were free to begin their famous squeezing. Federal programs were also rolled back and between the private squeezing in the break up of the unions and a faltering environment for federal workforce employees came an environment of social instability that saw the first of the modern office shootings, rolling out of the Post Office and into the workplaces of the eighties and beyond when the structures of Fordist economics (post WW2 New-Deal eras of economic relationship) were tossed off in favor of the glitz and glam of the “eighties boom”.
Reagan’s light touch saw to the creation of DARE which framed America’s greatest threat as being drugs, and not the AIDs crisis sweeping America and effectively doomed an entire generation of LGBT people and many other sectors of the American populace to die as the government turned a blind eye to the whole affair.
In foreign affairs the Reagan administration is home to some of the greatest and clandestine breaches of international law, epitomized by the Iran-Contra affair and the parallel crack-cocaine crisis which spread in large part due to CIA involvement and protection with the Nicaraguan Contras which used that CIA protection to sell cocaine en’masse in America to pay their war bills to ostensibly fight the new socialist government in Nicaragua, one so unsuccessful all the contras ended up doing was pillaging the frontier and killing swathes of civilians because they couldn’t actually deal with the Sandinista government directly. So even as the Reagans were saying, “just say no”, they and Bush Sr. were facilitating the flood of cocaine and the 80’s crack boom. The Mayan genocide in Guatemala was also the territory of Reagan and a younger Bolton.
But then in the field of international politics, nearly every president since the World War has had to commit some sort of “Nurembourg level” crime to maintain US policies. So it’s par the course. But with Reagan’s de-regulatory policies we also get My Little Pony. Prior to his presidency children’s TV programming could not be oriented to toy sales, he lifted those restrictions and not children’s TV can sell whatever the fuck it wants.
Nixon or Gerald Ford or any other “conservative” hasn’t had nearly as big of an impact as Reagan whose become a saint and has been so impactful even the presidency of Bill Clinton more-or-less copied much of the same domestic policies.
But the GOP is in a state of evolution again, but not so much because of a president in their party. The election and presidency of Obama led to the rise of what’s been described as a more ideologically coherent Republican Party, as a combination of historical trends since Reagan but also the guidance of Mitch McConnell.
Sky funeral
@dissociativity
Both would work fine.
Well, Reagan is largely associated with the modern strain of conservatism of small government and de-regulation of the market. His greatest hits including a business policy that saw greater wealth pooling at the top of the hierarchy as regulations were taken out and the realm of possibilities broadened for big business now they were in a freer environment. This created the world of the Jack Welches, who were free to begin their famous squeezing. Federal programs were also rolled back and between the private squeezing in the break up of the unions and a faltering environment for federal workforce employees came an environment of social instability that saw the first of the modern office shootings, rolling out of the Post Office and into the workplaces of the eighties and beyond when the structures of Fordist economics (post WW2 New-Deal eras of economic relationship) were tossed off in favor of the glitz and glam of the “eighties boom”.
Reagan’s light touch saw to the creation of DARE which framed America’s greatest threat as being drugs, and not the AIDs crisis sweeping America and effectively doomed an entire generation of LGBT people and many other sectors of the American populace to die as the government turned a blind eye to the whole affair.
In foreign affairs the Reagan administration is home to some of the greatest and clandestine breaches of international law, epitomized by the Iran-Contra affair and the parallel crack-cocaine crisis which spread in large part due to CIA involvement and protection with the Nicaraguan Contras which used that CIA protection to sell cocaine en’masse in America to pay their war bills to ostensibly fight the new socialist government in Nicaragua, one so unsuccessful all the contras ended up doing was pillaging the frontier and killing swathes of civilians because they couldn’t actually deal with the Sandinista government directly. So even as the Reagans were saying, “just say no”, they and Bush Sr. were facilitating the flood of cocaine and the 80’s crack boom. The Mayan genocide in Guatemala was also the territory of Reagan and a younger Bolton.
But then in the field of international politics, nearly every president since the World War has had to commit some sort of “Nurembourg level” crime to maintain US policies. So it’s par the course. But with Reagan’s de-regulatory policies we also get My Little Pony. Prior to his presidency children’s TV programming could not be oriented to toy sales, he lifted those restrictions and not children’s TV can sell whatever the fuck it wants.
Nixon or Gerald Ford or any other “conservative” hasn’t had nearly as big of an impact as Reagan whose become a saint and has been so impactful even the presidency of Bill Clinton more-or-less copied much of the same domestic policies.
But the GOP is in a state of evolution again, but not so much because of a president in their party. The election and presidency of Obama led to the rise of what’s been described as a more ideologically coherent Republican Party, as a combination of historical trends since Reagan but also the guidance of Mitch McConnell.
Dustcan
This explains why Obama fears a Sanders (and to a lesser extent Warren) presidency but not a Trump second term: Trump may have dedicated his entire presidency to undoing Obama’s policies, but that just means people would look back fondly on them in nostalgia. Sanders/Warren risks exposing him as the mediocrity he always was.
@AaronMk
I feel like pointing out that while there’s no hard date for when the era of America’s “Golden Age of Economic Prosperity” ended, everyone agrees that by the time of Reagan it was well and truly over.
There are no coincidences.
Dogs
@Vivace
He was pretty much spectacle over substance when it came to anything remotely left wing.
Lots of bombing civilians and deporting immigrants.Let me know when you get a president that stops the war on drugs and doesn’t do those things, then we can talk about them not being conservative.
Sanders would be a start.
This explains why Obama fears a Sanders (and to a lesser extent Warren) presidency but not a Trump second term: Trump may have dedicated his entire presidency to undoing Obama’s policies, but that just means people would look back fondly on them in nostalgia. Sanders/Warren risks exposing him as the mediocrity he always was.
@AaronMk
@dissociativity
Both would work fine.Well, Reagan is largely associated with the modern strain of conservatism of small government and de-regulation of the market. His greatest hits including a business policy that saw greater wealth pooling at the top of the hierarchy as regulations were taken out and the realm of possibilities broadened for big business now they were in a freer environment. This created the world of the Jack Welches, who were free to begin their famous squeezing. Federal programs were also rolled back and between the private squeezing in the break up of the unions and a faltering environment for federal workforce employees came an environment of social instability that saw the first of the modern office shootings, rolling out of the Post Office and into the workplaces of the eighties and beyond when the structures of Fordist economics (post WW2 New-Deal eras of economic relationship) were tossed off in favor of the glitz and glam of the “eighties boom”.
I feel like pointing out that while there’s no hard date for when the era of America’s “Golden Age of Economic Prosperity” ended, everyone agrees that by the time of Reagan it was well and truly over.
There are no coincidences.
Vivace
“ShimSham my GlimGlams”
@dissociativity
Finally, we’d have a good solid president and not the mediocrity to downright shit of the last 40 years. Haven’t had greatness since FDR, & even he’s not flawless.
Finally, we’d have a good solid president and not the mediocrity to downright shit of the last 40 years. Haven’t had greatness since FDR, & even he’s not flawless.
CaptainXtra
STOP KOSA!
@Thanotos Omega
So, does that instantly invalidate what he’s done to expose corruption?
So, does that instantly invalidate what he’s done to expose corruption?
Thanotos Omega 
FTFY
@Thanotos Omega
So, does that instantly invalidate what he’s done toexpose corruptionselectively release information to further his own political goals?
FTFY
CaptainXtra
STOP KOSA!
@Thanotos Omega
@Vivace
Please, elaborate if you will on what you mean by “furthering his own goals”.
@Vivace
Please, elaborate if you will on what you mean by “furthering his own goals”.
HeadlessHorselessHorseman
Conservatives would argue that Reagan was elected because it was over and that he restored it. Trump’s election, in their view, was brought about by “Reagan Democrats” (read: lower middle-class voters who were still wealthy enough to look down on poor black people). This demographic is the basis of their supposed “populism”.
Trumpian conservatives criticize Zombie Reaganism, but none of them who don’t already have significant left-wing sympathies will ever do what really needs to be done; disavow Reagan entirely. Dig up Reaganism’s corpse, burn it, and repent of dust and ashes for ever having brought it into existence. The shining-city-on-a-hill-gubmint-bad-goshdarn-those-hippies-cowboy-hat-capitalism-mixed-with-colonialism was trash then, is trash now, and led directly to the state of affairs that small-town Trumpists despise so much. Their socioeconomic opposite numbers in the Democratic coalition know this, and are carrying the standard for what remnants of Reaganism they think were seaworthy (high immigration, appeals to economic prosperity) even if they despise Reagan the man.
@Vivace
He was pretty much spectacle over substance when it came to anything remotely left wing.
Lots of bombing civilians and deporting immigrants.Let me know when you get a president that stops the war on drugs and doesn’t do those things, then we can talk about them not being conservative.
Sanders would be a start.This explains why Obama fears a Sanders (and to a lesser extent Warren) presidency but not a Trump second term: Trump may have dedicated his entire presidency to undoing Obama’s policies, but that just means people would look back fondly on them in nostalgia. Sanders/Warren risks exposing him as the mediocrity he always was.@dissociativity
Both would work fine.Well, Reagan is largely associated with the modern strain of conservatism of small government and de-regulation of the market. His greatest hits including a business policy that saw greater wealth pooling at the top of the hierarchy as regulations were taken out and the realm of possibilities broadened for big business now they were in a freer environment. This created the world of the Jack Welches, who were free to begin their famous squeezing. Federal programs were also rolled back and between the private squeezing in the break up of the unions and a faltering environment for federal workforce employees came an environment of social instability that saw the first of the modern office shootings, rolling out of the Post Office and into the workplaces of the eighties and beyond when the structures of Fordist economics (post WW2 New-Deal eras of economic relationship) were tossed off in favor of the glitz and glam of the “eighties boom”.I feel like pointing out that while there’s no hard date for when the era of America’s “Golden Age of Economic Prosperity” ended, everyone agrees that by the time of Reagan it was well and truly over.There are no coincidences.
Conservatives would argue that Reagan was elected because it was over and that he restored it. Trump’s election, in their view, was brought about by “Reagan Democrats” (read: lower middle-class voters who were still wealthy enough to look down on poor black people). This demographic is the basis of their supposed “populism”.
Trumpian conservatives criticize Zombie Reaganism, but none of them who don’t already have significant left-wing sympathies will ever do what really needs to be done; disavow Reagan entirely. Dig up Reaganism’s corpse, burn it, and repent of dust and ashes for ever having brought it into existence. The shining-city-on-a-hill-gubmint-bad-goshdarn-those-hippies-cowboy-hat-capitalism-mixed-with-colonialism was trash then, is trash now, and led directly to the state of affairs that small-town Trumpists despise so much. Their socioeconomic opposite numbers in the Democratic coalition know this, and are carrying the standard for what remnants of Reaganism they think were seaworthy (high immigration, appeals to economic prosperity) even if they despise Reagan the man.
Vivace
“ShimSham my GlimGlams”
@CaptainXtra
TSP explained in his reply to you. He never blew the whistle on anyone on his own side when they were as guilty as those he did blow it on.
TSP explained in his reply to you. He never blew the whistle on anyone on his own side when they were as guilty as those he did blow it on.
MethidMan 
Trump’s election, in their view, was brought about by “Reagan Democrats” (read: lower middle-class voters who were still wealthy enough to look down on poor black people). This demographic is the basis of their supposed “populism”.
That’s pretty much what populism is: economically left, but socially right.
There are basically 4 types of voters according to this article:
There are basically 4 types of voters according to this article:
Progressive (left-leaning on both economic issues and cultural ones like immigration, so mostly Democratic voters);
Classical Liberal (left-leaning on issues like immigration, but more conservative on economics);
Populist (left-leaning on economic issues, but conservative on issues like immigration); and
Conservative (right-leaning on both economic issues and cultural issues, so mainly Republicans).
AaronMk
I’mma just point out that you’re making a real joke here bub, don’t pass it off as real. Especially as real as HHH’s idea that Trump is a rebellion against Reaganism, every Trump voter I’ve spoken to has had positive opinions of Reagan and his policies. It was not a rebellion against Reagan.
Sky funeral
Trump’s election, in their view, was brought about by “Reagan Democrats” (read: lower middle-class voters who were still wealthy enough to look down on poor black people). This demographic is the basis of their supposed “populism”.That’s pretty much what populism is: economically left, but socially right.There are basically 4 types of voters according to this article:Progressive (left-leaning on both economic issues and cultural ones like immigration, so mostly Democratic voters);
Classical Liberal (left-leaning on issues like immigration, but more conservative on economics);
Populist (left-leaning on economic issues, but conservative on issues like immigration); and
Conservative (right-leaning on both economic issues and cultural issues, so mainly Republicans).
I’mma just point out that you’re making a real joke here bub, don’t pass it off as real. Especially as real as HHH’s idea that Trump is a rebellion against Reaganism, every Trump voter I’ve spoken to has had positive opinions of Reagan and his policies. It was not a rebellion against Reagan.
Background Pony #F0B8
@Vivace
He was pretty much spectacle over substance when it came to anything remotely left wing.
Lots of bombing civilians and deporting immigrants.Let me know when you get a president that stops the war on drugs and doesn’t do those things, then we can talk about them not being conservative.
Sanders would be a start.This explains why Obama fears a Sanders (and to a lesser extent Warren) presidency but not a Trump second term: Trump may have dedicated his entire presidency to undoing Obama’s policies, but that just means people would look back fondly on them in nostalgia. Sanders/Warren risks exposing him as the mediocrity he always was.
I think you’re being remarkably disingenuous here. I mean, don’t forget that pretty much the moment he was elected the party whose supporters burned an effigy of him in protest vowed to oppose him in basically everything he wanted to do. And when he actually did work on one of the big things he campaigned on, healthcare reform, at the very beginning of his time in office and managed to get something (imperfect but entirely fixable) through the House and Senate and signed into law, that same party actively and loudly declared provisions they had previously supported unconstitutional and spent the time leading up to the 2010 midterms going to Democratic campaigns and screeching about death panels and birth certificates and other idiotic tripe. And the end result was a Republican Senate and House majority that did exactly what they said they’d do and opposed him in pretty much everything.
And bear in mind, I’m not saying he would have been one of the all time greats without all that. I’m just saying that if you want to cast his entire time in office as mediocre, it’s important to remember the kind of situation he was in for most of that, and the impact it had on his ability to do all the stuff you’re judging him on.
And bear in mind, I’m not saying he would have been one of the all time greats without all that. I’m just saying that if you want to cast his entire time in office as mediocre, it’s important to remember the kind of situation he was in for most of that, and the impact it had on his ability to do all the stuff you’re judging him on.
The Smiling Pony 
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@Patachu
Ah yes, linking FOX NEWS. I mean, it was his “testimony”, but it’s certainly in-line with the FOX NEWS reporting of focussing 90% of their time on the 10% of the story that fits their narrative.
Meanwhile, Trump’s fragile ego on display
Imagine being the most powerful man on the planet and this much of a little bitch
Ah yes, linking FOX NEWS. I mean, it was his “testimony”, but it’s certainly in-line with the FOX NEWS reporting of focussing 90% of their time on the 10% of the story that fits their narrative.
Meanwhile, Trump’s fragile ego on display
Imagine being the most powerful man on the planet and this much of a little bitch
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