Meanlucario 
Time to get spooky
@Darth Prime
At least Disney remembered that the Jedi ideology was deeply flawed and was part of why it fell.
At least Disney remembered that the Jedi ideology was deeply flawed and was part of why it fell.
Star Wars General
Darth Prime 
@Meanlucario
Yeah but the problem is to explore that they had to have Luke fill in for the failure of the Jedi’s as whole like his whole spiel about the Order at the night of its power failing to stop Sidious but that’s not Luke’s fault he was born like seconds after that happen and then he becomes part of why the Empire falls see the problem is we don’t know anything about what Luke’s Jedi Order was like what difference it had compared to the Old Order what mistakes did it learn from the old or what mistakes it might have repeated we only know it failed through three different versions of a scene which we have to assume the third one is what actually happened this was done so the writer could have Luke be a grumpy old man that Yoda shows up at the end to spell out the message of the film to him and really to the audience about learning from failure (and ironically failing at story telling in the process).
Then you have Jedi Fallen Order that does the same thing but instead of using a character that had nothing to with the Old Jedi Order to exemplify its failings it just uses the Order itself including mentioning a Jedi that had a vision of the Order falling and the Empire raising and the Jedi Council dismissing him because they’re so full of themselves.
It’s amazing how that game does much of what The Last Jedi wanted to do but actually successes in a way that actually makes sense.
So in summation I didn’t mind the flaws of the Jedi being pointed out I just like a story about that that actually makes sense and not just turn the guy from the last story into some stand in for that especially when it feels like it was forced into that roll just to make that story.
Yeah but the problem is to explore that they had to have Luke fill in for the failure of the Jedi’s as whole like his whole spiel about the Order at the night of its power failing to stop Sidious but that’s not Luke’s fault he was born like seconds after that happen and then he becomes part of why the Empire falls see the problem is we don’t know anything about what Luke’s Jedi Order was like what difference it had compared to the Old Order what mistakes did it learn from the old or what mistakes it might have repeated we only know it failed through three different versions of a scene which we have to assume the third one is what actually happened this was done so the writer could have Luke be a grumpy old man that Yoda shows up at the end to spell out the message of the film to him and really to the audience about learning from failure (and ironically failing at story telling in the process).
Then you have Jedi Fallen Order that does the same thing but instead of using a character that had nothing to with the Old Jedi Order to exemplify its failings it just uses the Order itself including mentioning a Jedi that had a vision of the Order falling and the Empire raising and the Jedi Council dismissing him because they’re so full of themselves.
It’s amazing how that game does much of what The Last Jedi wanted to do but actually successes in a way that actually makes sense.
So in summation I didn’t mind the flaws of the Jedi being pointed out I just like a story about that that actually makes sense and not just turn the guy from the last story into some stand in for that especially when it feels like it was forced into that roll just to make that story.
Angrybrony 
🔥Sunset is best girl🔥
@Darth Prime
even clone wars did the flawed jedi thing better with one of the better arcs. like we get it the old jedi order sucked can we get a new one?
even clone wars did the flawed jedi thing better with one of the better arcs. like we get it the old jedi order sucked can we get a new one?
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Angrybrony
Clone Wars did Star Wars better than Lucas did in general.
Clone Wars did Star Wars better than Lucas did in general.
Darth Prime
@Angrybrony
Don’t worry Rey will totally get it right this time I’m sure.
I mean what are the odds it could go wrong again so soon? Again?
Don’t worry Rey will totally get it right this time I’m sure.
I mean what are the odds it could go wrong again so soon? Again?
Castellan Fyor
For the Emperor!
@Meanlucario
Clone wars did a lot of things, and thus should be held to a higher standard
Clone wars did a lot of things, and thus should be held to a higher standard
Darth Prime
@Meanlucario
Ah yes the The Star Wars Book the big book that’s apparently going to fix everything and fill in all those plot holes like How Rey got those visions from the Skywalker Lightsaber in TFA.
Ah yes the The Star Wars Book the big book that’s apparently going to fix everything and fill in all those plot holes like How Rey got those visions from the Skywalker Lightsaber in TFA.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Darth Prime
So like what the Clone Wars and EU did for the prequels.
So like what the Clone Wars and EU did for the prequels.
Darth Prime
@Meanlucario
Not quite because The Prequels had a plot to it sloppy told as it was those things were ironing things out rather than trying to give meaning to something that didn’t have much after it’s over.
Those things you mentioned didn’t have to give a character a rare Force power and make it an even more powerful version of that power just to explain something.
Also those things were actually stories that were interesting in their own right where as this is one book that’s trying to fix those thing instead of letting those things be a story.
So no not quite the same thing when you actually thinking it and compare those things and get past any superficial similarities which I know is hard for you.
Not quite because The Prequels had a plot to it sloppy told as it was those things were ironing things out rather than trying to give meaning to something that didn’t have much after it’s over.
Those things you mentioned didn’t have to give a character a rare Force power and make it an even more powerful version of that power just to explain something.
Also those things were actually stories that were interesting in their own right where as this is one book that’s trying to fix those thing instead of letting those things be a story.
So no not quite the same thing when you actually thinking it and compare those things and get past any superficial similarities which I know is hard for you.
Angrybrony
🔥Sunset is best girl🔥
@Darth Prime
then again it’s not like you could make an interesting story about the plot holes in the squeals.
then again it’s not like you could make an interesting story about the plot holes in the squeals.
Dex Stewart 
Ecto-Phase,Activate!
@icey wicey 1517
At the end,George Lucas comes in and smashes everything.
At the end,George Lucas comes in and smashes everything.
Darth Prime
I believe they mean to suggest that it is naïve to assume that Anakin has only committed one war crime not about what media it was in.
@Dex Stewart
Disney to Lucas.
@Meanlucario
The “One” time?
@Communist Starlight
In the Clone Wars show.
I believe they mean to suggest that it is naïve to assume that Anakin has only committed one war crime not about what media it was in.
@Dex Stewart
@icey wicey 1517
At the end,George Lucas comes in and smashes everything.
Disney to Lucas.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Darth Prime
I know, just narrowing down which one it was (false surrendering being the one talked about in the video).
I know, just narrowing down which one it was (false surrendering being the one talked about in the video).
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