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@igotnopicks  
No, they don’t. I’m only talking about the sapience of pokemon in the mainline games (Red, Sapphire, White and the like). Still wish this topic would be dropped by now.
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@Latecomer  
There are always rumors. And again, I’m going off what the mainline games shows and tells us. If you want to continue this 2v1 (if not 3v1) “discussion,” than stick to that info and don’t go into what you want in the games or fan theories.
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@Meanlucario  
Well, the games are pretty thin/ambiguous,especially the older ones. So there’s a lot of room for interpretation.
 
Obviously for something like this, there’s only the vaguest refrences. On the other hand, Pokemon sapience/intellignce is a lot more all over the place - especially looking at the Pokedex.
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@Latecomer  
It’s moreso uses the “what is convenient/funny” than ambiguous. Play a Digimon game to see what a world where sapient mons are like compared to Pokemon. It’s like night and day.
 
Outside of a demo and myth, it’s not referenced at all. And again, I never trust the dex since it’s infamous for making up shit like Magcargo’s body temperature or Cubone’s skull.
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@Meanlucario  
I’m a longtime fan of both, and can tell the difference. (Although Digimon also has plenty of “feral” monsters as well, mainly as antagonists.)
 
And if you’re just going to ignore whatever doesn’t fit your own take - well, that’s fine. But that means it’s as much fanon as anyone elses. Because the games themselves don’t really deliver a consistent take.
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@Latecomer  
Outside of proper World games, digimon aren’t feral (no more than humans can be feral at least).
 
Dude, the pokedex is so bad that it’s a meme. If it said that human/pokemon relationships were never a thing I would ignore it because it’s unreliable. And again, if you guys weren’t trying to force what you like into the actual games, than I wouldn’t have a problem.
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@Meanlucario  
Well, Digimon “canon” is even more jumbled… like, what’s the prime source? The V-pets?
 
And as for the games, they’ll do what they like and we can’t do anything about that. Although I think it’s very unlikely they’ll ever include romance between humans and Pokemon. Sapient Pokemon, on the other hand, is more likely (and may already have crept in here and there).
 
And yeah, the Dex is full of ridiculous stuff. So you have to be selective with it. But that is fanon when you get down to it. Pure game Pokemon world isn’t built for much but gaming.
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@Latecomer  
That’s because you’re trying to make many different continuities fit into one canon. It doesn’t work, and undermines each of them when you’re more focus on making them the same rather than appreciating their differences and what makes them unique.
 
Sapient pokemon are few and far between. I’m talking about the vast majority of pokemon, not a light-stealer from a parallel universe. And I think the breeding mechanic is a huge point against the theory that they are sapient.
 
I rather just throw it out entirely due to it’s unreliability rather than cherry pick from it’s entries to use as evidence one way or another. You want to avoid using unreliable sources in arguments because they tend to be unreliable, even if they say stuff you like.
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@Meanlucario
Talking in human words? No. But they’re often able to make themselves more or less understood. (Still, if there wasn’t a limit people like N and Yellow wouldn’t be special…)
 
That’s actually a good question. Team Rocket Meowth doesn’t seem to be a particularly special Meowth, so how/why can he speak in human languages but most other Pokemon can’t?
 
Though it would be funny if N and Meowth met:
 
N: Yes, I can hear the voices of your Pokemon loud and clear! It is like they are speaking to me!
 
Meowth: That’s ‘cause I AM speakin’ to you, ya bozo!
Latecomer

@Meanlucario  
The thing about the game continuity, though, is that it doesn’t really stand on it’s own - too much is abstracted because of the game nature. If you want to squeeze even as solid a world as Equestria out of it, you have to fill the gaps in with something, whether that’s borrowing from other official media or just making it up yourself.
 
And if you’re going to say the Pokedex is inconsistent and nonsensical (and it is)… are the games as a whole much more consistent? Well, maybe.
 
 
@Random-Rambling  
Meowth is one of the enshrined oddities of the anime. Like how no-one ever seems to age.
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@Meanlucario  
Indeed - but it’s a massive headache for people trying to make sense of the anime after the first few years. Just like all the games’ abstractions (and nonsensical Pokedex entries) make them difficult to work with. That’s why I’ve always gone synthesis for my “general” Pokemon headcanons - contrary to your above statement, I think it creates a much stronger lattice than any of these media that were not really meant to be thought about that deeply.
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@Meanlucario  
But as I’ve said, the games alone have their own problems. I don’t think there’s any Pokemon media that can be said to really make much sense on it’s own, beyond it’s narrative focus.
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