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Weren’t the Davidians converting semi auto guns to full auto though? Not justifying the blatant mismanagement of the situation and escalation by the feds, just pointing out the ATF visit might not have been entirely unwarranted.
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@liquidsodanium  
Yep, that was why the ATF was investigating them in the first place.
 
If there’s a reason to bash the ATF for Waco, it’s the fact that Koresh and several of his lieutenants were constantly coming into to town on a regular schedule, and that the local Sheriff’s department had offered to assist the ATF in arresting them when they did so.
 
But no, the ATF head honchos wanted to have a big, publicized, massive show of force so they could justify keeping their budget and not get rolled up into the FBI or other federal law enforcement agencies. And what was the end result of them flexing their muscles and LARPing as commandos? Several agents severely injured, and long standoff and media circus, and countless people getting incinerated. Way to fucking go.
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@liquidsodanium
 
Is it really worth all the people who died in the end, or the Oklahoma City bombing afterwards? If the ATF had let sleeping dogs lie, both with Waco and Ruby Ridge, what would’ve been the outcome? Would more people have died? Was it worth it in the end?
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Maybe not, but let’s get real. You’re building “illegal” firearms and expect the government to turn a blind eye? A government agency notorious for violating protocol and constitutional law? I mean, at least try to cover your tracks better.
 
The more I read about this the more disgusted I become at this embarrassing debacle. What a disaster of a situation. Same as Port Arthur.
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Uh, we still don’t know how the weapons used in Port Arthur went from the police’s hands to Bryant’s in quite short order. The comparison is invalid anyway, because use and possession aren’t the same things.
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A note on this particular topic:
 
Reminder that the first pieces of gun control legislation in the United States were passed by former slave owners to prevent former slaves from owning firearms, so, technically speaking, one could make the argument that gun control, at least in the US, is founded on actual racist legislation.
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