Gun Discussion

Gizoid101

@JustLikeTheNewGuy

9MM

PRO:
40-50% Cheaper
Lower Recoil
Higher Capacity Magazine
Currently U.S. Military sidearm (Beretta)
Higher Velocity – 1100-1300 FPS

CON:
Less Knockdown Power

.45

PRO:
More Knockdown Power
Ex-Military Sidearm (Colt 1911)

CON:
Twice as Expensive
Smaller Capacity Magazine
More Recoil
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.45 has more "stopping power".

9mm has a higher velocity (less target leading and better accuracy over long distance)and because they're smaller, more rounds can be carried in the same amount of space (a negated advantage if there's a legal restriction on capacity… very stupid law.)
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No personal experience with it, but googling shows it having better penetration and accuracy at range than the .45 & 9mm.
(For the record, I'm not familiar with most non-conventional calibers.)
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It's Carcer who lives in the UK.

I have no history with guns other than text knowledge I read up on the net. But I hear the reason why 9mm is mainstream is because of how the .45acp kicks back too much for most gun users to handle.

Police used to use .38 special revolvers as a standard if I'm not mistaken. Particularly the S&W Model 10 until being fazed out by the Glocks in the 90s.
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You need a squeaky-clean background, even a speeding ticket can get your license revoked. There's quite a bit of bureaucracy involved in getting a license AFAIK, and each individual gun requires a separate license.
Carrying weapons in public is illegal, and self-defense is not considered a valid reason to get a license.

Oh, and fully automatic weapons, explosives, artillery and missile systems are generally not permitted.
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Recreational shooting, hunting and collecting for example.
Here, you don't need an excuse to own a firearm. You just need to prove that you're sane, and don't have a criminal record with violent crimes on it.

And despite having both higher gun ownership and easier access, gun violence is still lower here per capita than in Aus
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Anything excluding explosives. Automatic weapons are heavily restricted, but aren't too hard to acquire; same with pistol weapons.

The ironic thing is that suppressors/silencers aren't restricted at all. You can easily get a suppressor for a heavily restricted weapon no problems whatsoever. The law assumes that you already legally own the weapon that you're getting a suppressor for, thus there is no need to regulate/restrict them.
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Pretty much. The main expense with guns is the manufacturing tax placed on the weapons when they're made (taxes on production back in Finland, for example), and shipping them here from Europe or America. There are no import duties on firearms here, and the regulations don't amount to much, thus IIRC guns only get taxed like other products and services here (15% GST, for example)
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