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tehwatever
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@DeathCloud  
Invincible has your Superman-Expy killed the entirety of the Walmart-variety Justice League in violent fashion.
 
But 2 your point, YES Superhero has already had so many parodies and copies.
 
So maybe, Isekai Tenseisha Koroshi wants to jump start a subgenre of isekai-MC parodies, which, are themselves copies of already established JRPG MCs.
 
So maybe, ppl already find isekai to be culturally relevant enough, despite Isekai making a mere 2% of anime, to be making works of parodies on them.
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Works of a specific genre / subgenre doesn’t need to actually saturate the market with sheer number of works to make the consumer feel overwhelmed. They just need to create the illusion that they are everywhere. Your brain will do the rest of the work.
 
Marketing that favors isekai and persistent memes goes a long way to make you see isekai everywhere. Confirmation bias and pareidolia and stuff.
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@tehwatever  
You still missing my point  
You comparing sympathetic portrayal JL expies who killed by defacto main villain vs unsympathetic mockery of characters in revenge porn story
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BTW, Dragon Maid is not only anime adaption of manga by Coolkyousinnjya this season. But you probably would never guess from looking at it
tehwatever
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@Don’t
Also people keep bringing up boys and similar why using characters parody is fine. Super heroes are bigger cultural icons than isekai char and there are plenty of copies and parodies already, in past that was issue what led many lawsuits, its to expect that companies and authors behind chars in that isekai parody would be defensive
Major thematic difference between Invincible and Boys aside, both still used parody of characters. Wasn’t it your point? That Superheroes are cultural ideas rather than specific characters?
 
Hence my reply: Maybe the “Kill the Isekai” mistakenly thought these Isekai characters have already transcended their characters and into ideas, therefore creating parodies of them were alright.
 
Which also why I earlier said: If you wanna be blatant about these isekai char expies and you shit on them, you better have ppl back you up before you do it, because you gonna get jumped.
 
Note: I AIN’T DEFENDING THE MANGA. I just find it to be, perhaps, a sign of a new thing, or not, depending on how much traction the idea gets.
 
Which actually brings the question–WHEN can we expect isekai MC parodies, if ever?
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@tehwatever  
My point is doing it Boys stile is wrong, Invincible would be fine because its different and I didn’t mention it. I did mention Red Healer, what is important because its not even doing it Boys style, its doing it as combination of Boys and RedoHealer is problem  
Or to be more direct doing isekai chars parody in style what is mix of Boys JL parody and people Healer wants to kil/rape is what wrong with it
 
Also Isekai parody what already happening for long time and not in that crappy and edgy way. Even Konosuba count as parody
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@DeathCloud  
But how many are parodies featuring copies or parodies popular isekai-MCs or characters, similar to what @Dustcan said?  
How many isekai parodies make you go: Is that Aqua from Konosuba? Wait, is that the skeleton dude? is that the slime dude? I assume not many, because the respective lawyers would probably descend on whoever tries to do that stuff and shut them down hard.
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Here’s a weird thought. If there were any western cartoon to get adapted into an anime,what would you like to see?
ghostfacekiller39
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@tehwatever  
Yeah, and buying into and promoting the narrative that they oversaturate the market is buying into just that - an illusion.
 
When people begin biting into a false narrative en masse, there’s a problem. That’s not a good thing. It’s outright misinformation significantly altering the discourse on something. No need to tolerate bullshit.
 
Also, most Isekai aren’t aggressively marketed or heavily memed or any shit like that. Not in any notable way for anime adaptations relative to their scale. Of course something like Shield Hero got marketed a bunch. It was supposed to be a killer app, but how many Isekai get that level of marketing? And did anybody - outside of Anitube - give a shit about Death March or Isekai Smartphone?
 
Speaking of - you know what constantly sheds them spotlight, at least for the international audience? Fucking Anitube. A lot of anitubers constantly shit out Isekai vids and promote ideas like they’re everywhere and unavoidable and all of that, all in the most hyperbolic and polemic-laden ways they can possibly communicate these ideas. Making shitty SAO vids has turned into making shitty Isekai vids. So if you interact with anime on YouTube at all, you’ll fucking run into it since it’s the view meta. And then a lot of casuals will trust these Anitubers to be a source of info for them and spread that misinformation the Anituber promoted to increase view count.
 
And they did the same thing years ago with Magic High Schools. It’s not about how prominent something actually is - it’s about whether or not it’s prominent enough for anitubers to be able to claim that its the latest trend catering to disgusting virgin otaku with no lives and that it’s killing anime and overrunning the market and blah blah blah. That’s what nets views. That’s the fucking end goal.
 
Just bleh. More than anything I think it’s a display of how people with a platform can manipulate the perception of something, even if they’re being dishonest in doing so. This is a case where it’s pretty obviously dishonest when you look at it, yet look at how many people actually question the idea that it oversaturate the market. Worse yet, when you pretty much kill that idea dead in the water with fucking numbers and other objectively quantifiable things, people won’t hear it. That narrative is so prominent people reach for stupid justifications to cling onto it, because the amount of people who also bite into the bullshit is enough to make them doubt reality and try to come up with a bunch of weak-ass explanations to fill in the gap. After all, that many people can’t be wrong, can’t they? Even if the entire discourse is predicated on lies, and even if they heard that idea from someone else, be it directly from the source at YT or secondhand in a thread like this one. There’s just no way. When so few are challenging the idea and so many people are espousing it, yet the side with the overwhelmingly better information and evidence is the minority, it’s still not easy to convince most people that the majority is wrong.
 
From there, shitty rhetoric spreads outwards because of people adopting that as the take, and people who don’t interact with Anitube at all bite into that narrative that was born there, because they hear it from someone else. Nasty little cycle of lying, intentionally or unintentionally withstanding.
 
Question. Question question question. While it’s never been at the extent that it reached with isekai, this narrative of (x) non-traditional genre oversaturating the market has been a constant thing in the anime fandom for the last 15 years. It started with Moe and CGDCT. Then they came after my type, ecchi. Then magic schools. Then Isekai. Any time people start talking about a genre oversaturating the market, doubt them. Or at least fucking question it.
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@ghostfacekiller39  
Sure I agree. 100%
 
But when you’s being axed “ey what’s populah’ wit the keeds deez days?” Is you gonna pull up actual numbers of works in the genre and compare it with the total number of outputs in a given period?
 
Because that ain’t the question. The question is: “what’s popular?” NOT “what’s being made and what has been made?”
 
So now another question.
 
What if Isekai Tenseisha Koroshi wasn’t making a statement about the raw number of Isekai works versus other genres (because we’ve established Isekai isn’t actually making up even 5% of the releases, per your research)
 
What if…the author’s making a statement on Isekai’s popularity, regardless of how many actual isekai works are out there compared to other genres?
 
This is prolly his attempt to make a name for hisself because he know these other Isekai lads are popular and he can ride on the popularity if these IPs.
 
Edit: I wrote this before your ninja edit that added two more points on Anitubers (what are they even) and the view meta and how these guys are driving the narrative for their own ends.
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@tehwatever  
Not gonna lie, chief, I don’t give two shits about the parody. It sounds classless and mostly geared towards generating attention through shock value. I used it to leapfrog to the idea of how obnoxious anti-isekai discourse is, but other than that giving it attention is kinda depressing.
 
Have you ever been to a birthday  
Party for children?  
And one of the children  
Won’t stop screaming  
‘Cause he’s just a little  
Attention attractor  
When he grows up  
To be a comic or actor  
He’ll be rewarded  
For never maturing  
For never understanding  
Or learning
tehwatever
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@ghostfacekiller39  
It made news. So imma give it its 15 minutes. For courtesy’s sake.
 
Also successful comics and actors are very mature and they understand and learn a lot. Great comics and actors have high, way above average emotional intelligence, with good self-awareness and empathy.
 
Comics and actors that can’t read the room, can’t read the audience or can’t take criticism aren’t gonna make it. Best they can do is livestream or be a youtuber.
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Edit: I wrote this before your ninja edit that added two more points on Anitubers (what are they even) and the view meta and how these guys are driving the narrative for their own ends.
 
It’s just anime YT channels. That’s it. People who talk about anime on YT for money, like they’re some esteemed critics. Every hobby has them, these are just ones for anime.
 
Several of them do that. Digi did it when he moved on from MLP to anime. Mother’s Basement does it still. Not all do, but there’s a few who churn out that type of content in bulk because it tends to net them a lot of views. And, well, when most of your vids hit around 300k - 400k views and then you shit out something like this and bam, it’s easy to see why. There are definitely anitubers that benefit from jumping on these narratives, blowing them out of any reasonable proportion, and ensuring they get sustained as long as possible. Before, of course, moving on when the zeitgeist changes. It was magic high school LN adaptations just a few years ago, getting the same treatment over on YT. There’s a reason people don’t talk about those anymore.
 
Does everyone who promotes this narrative watch anitubers? No, of course not. But they don’t have to, ideas spread beyond the direct source. They’re sources with relatively large platforms, so their shit will get spread more. Do they care about spreading that idea? Probably not, they just want the views to grow their channel, and are doing so by acting without sincerity. They’re sell outs. Does it end up spreading that narrative, though? Yeah, I’d put my money down on it.
 
So yeah. I think the source for this entire idea that it oversaturates the market in this case is more or less anitubers - specifically, anitubers that exploit the current clickbait meta. At least in the west/for the international audience.
 
@tehwatever  
Also successful comics and actors are very mature and they understand and learn a lot. Great comics and actors have high, way above average emotional intelligence, with good self-awareness and empathy.
Comics and actors that can’t read the room, can’t read the audience or can’t take criticism aren’t gonna make it. Best they can do is livestream or be a youtuber.
 
Was quoting lyrics from a great comic, actually. Just those lyrics felt like they would pertain to the creator of that specific work, so I just dropped ’em there.
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I think what ppl mean by oversaturating they mean “why is it recommended on my feed and OH MY GOD everything on my feed is this (x) thing!”
 
They mistake the ongoing view meta either from aggressive marketing or recommendation algorithm, with actual numbers of (x) works in circulation.
 
With this context in mind, I actually don’t mind ppl saying “(x) is everywhere.” Because it may just be everywhere. But calling it oversaturating the market is plain inaccurate, like you sez.
 
Popular? Yes.  
You see it on your feeds? Likely  
Makes up half of the total output per given period? Not even close.
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@tehwatever  
I mean, I would fuckin’ love it if people called this shit out more. The only issue I have is that it tends to be directed at the genre for producing like, one big-name work and 10 small-time works a year, rather than the people ensuring this shit stays super prominent in international anime discourse by spamming out shitty content that puts more emphasis on using hyperbole than making a substantial point.
 
We get 40 - 60 TV anime per season. The amount of isekai is a non-issue. If you dislike the concept, it can very easily be avoided for something that may appeal to you more. Anime is incredibly diverse. It is significantly less easy to avoid it in threads like this one, YouTube, or places like MAL, though.
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@ghostfacekiller39  
I agree on the point you made on the first paragraph completely.
 
2nd paragraph? Also agree. But hypercasuals like me rely on 3rd party to just recommend me stuff. I already assume they’re curating good anime.
 
I’m not too bothered to tweak my recommendation parameters or go hunting for a specific one. Most pleasant discoveries I’ve made have all been random accidents, after all.
 
I’m your cookie cutter bog standard anime consoomer. When it comes to anime I never look far.
 
Also
 
There is the question: Does Isekai make up half of the anime YOU have watched?
 
Some hypercasual like me would say, YES, ACTUALLY. In fact, I only watch TWO animes in Spring. Spider Isekai and 300 Years killing Slimes. That means 100% of what I recently watch are Isekai.
 
Why those two specifically? YT Recommendation. Nothing else.
 
Edit: Im tryna say that I don’t browse the entire catalogue of anime releases. I rely on God, basically, to just hand me two or three. If God drew me 3 isekai cards, and I don’t like isekai then I prolly just skip the season or rewatch my favorite animes.
 
I’m an extreme casual.
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@tehwatever  
Well, honestly? Just look through MAL. If you learn to navigate its database, which is fairly simple, you can find all sorts of shit on your own. It gives you all of the promo material, a synopsis and premise explanation, you can see genres, characters, the people that worked on it, so on and so forth. Like so.
 
While it’s fine to watch stuff to talk to other people about it, if you don’t want to have to rely on other people to curate stuff for you and want to find stuff on your own, this is the way to go. Outside of the review sections, it just gives you information that you can use. I fuckin’ adore it.
 
Word of warning: Mean score shifts heavily based on genre more than anything. Most of the time it’s not because of poor writing or execution. So stuff that has a wide audience reach like psych thrillers and battle shounen have inflated mean scores, and stuff like ecchi, mecha, mahou shoujo and CGDCT have deflated mean scores.
 
This is basically to say that if you’re a fan of specific genres, pay more attention to genre and synopsis than mean score. Unless it’s sub-6, it’ll usually be fine if it’s a niche genre.
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