Frosku 
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@Th3BlueRose
According to uploads, Tidal has been around quite a bit longer. :3 Thanks tho.
According to uploads, Tidal has been around quite a bit longer. :3 Thanks tho.
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Frosku
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@PonyPon
I think most mature people on either side of politics would see it’s a cute picture of Pinkie Pie and not try to imply things the artist never said.
“Trans rights are human rights” does not imply:
I think most mature people on either side of politics would see it’s a cute picture of Pinkie Pie and not try to imply things the artist never said.
“Trans rights are human rights” does not imply:
- that trans rights are above human rights (that would be a very different sentence);
- that you have to date trans people (no one has an obligation to date anyone);
- that you have to agree with every aspect of LGBT culture (many people don’t) or trans lifestyles (there are many scientific arguments to change the way we approach the condition medically).
What it does imply is that trans people have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If that’s controversial for you I don’t even know what to fucking say.
Frosku
Vox Exercitus
The amount of QQ on this image is unreal and makes me embarrassed to be a Republican. Leave the manufactured outrage to the far left and either enjoy the art or filter the pride flag tag and move on. Holy shit.
Frosku
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If you’re gonna upload someone else’s art, at least tag right OC & species smh.
Frosku
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@Background Human
I’m basing my assumption on US/UK relations. They thawed after a period of conflict and both countries are now close allies because of cultural similarity.
I’m basing my assumption on US/UK relations. They thawed after a period of conflict and both countries are now close allies because of cultural similarity.
Frosku
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@O’Shaunal
I think both the north and the south would still have been formidable nations by the mid 20th century, and due to cultural similarity, after the war would probably have formed a loose alliance.
I think both the north and the south would still have been formidable nations by the mid 20th century, and due to cultural similarity, after the war would probably have formed a loose alliance.
Frosku
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@Itsthinking
Right, and because you couldn’t govern yourselves, you were unable to change things in your city. This is how the south feels all the time.
Right, and because you couldn’t govern yourselves, you were unable to change things in your city. This is how the south feels all the time.
Frosku
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@Itsthinking
My criticism of overbearing federal govts applies to the states too. If your city wants to put min wage up, by all means do so, but don’t force it on the areas that don’t want it. Right next door in North Carolina, we had the same thing with HB2, where the state passed a law forcing more liberal cities to discriminate against trans* individuals. I don’t support that any more than I support federal takeover of healthcare or federal gun controls.
We are all best governed as close to us as possible (and where possible, decisions left to individual conscience and families).
My criticism of overbearing federal govts applies to the states too. If your city wants to put min wage up, by all means do so, but don’t force it on the areas that don’t want it. Right next door in North Carolina, we had the same thing with HB2, where the state passed a law forcing more liberal cities to discriminate against trans* individuals. I don’t support that any more than I support federal takeover of healthcare or federal gun controls.
We are all best governed as close to us as possible (and where possible, decisions left to individual conscience and families).
Frosku
Vox Exercitus
@Itsthinking
This is why we need more local governance, so that your city can be run by the people who live there and my city can be run by the people who live here. I’m not trying to tell you how to live your life, pass laws that affect how you live your life, or stop you from passing the laws & protections you want. I’m just asking that you don’t pass them at the federal level and force all of us here in Charleston to follow laws we didn’t vote for or ask for.
This is why we need more local governance, so that your city can be run by the people who live there and my city can be run by the people who live here. I’m not trying to tell you how to live your life, pass laws that affect how you live your life, or stop you from passing the laws & protections you want. I’m just asking that you don’t pass them at the federal level and force all of us here in Charleston to follow laws we didn’t vote for or ask for.
Frosku
Actually, your attempt to prevent people from openly supporting the candidates they want and ‘equalize’ airtime is a violation of the free speech of the supporters (as clarified by Citizens United). A multi-party system is never going to work with first past the post, and the electoral college is the only way to make sure the flyover states get any effort from politicians, so it’s unlikely to change unless you have a better idea to make sure they don’t become irrelevant.
Respectfully, your comparison with Germany is absurd. Germany attempted to expand its empire through Europe and killed millions of innocent people for their religion or skin color, and most people in Germany have long-since accepted that they were the ‘bad guys’.
In the case of the war of northern aggression, there is no cut and dry ‘good’ and ‘evil’. We haven’t ‘gotten past it’ because a) our forefathers weren’t wrong to attempt to create a southern nation, b) y’all keep trying to rewrite the history (as seen in this thread) to give us the role of the ‘bad guys’ and c) the phenomenon of a federal govt not respecting our states’ rights has not ended.
@Phaoray
We have a process by which to amend the constitution. If you feel that you have a better idea than the founders did, submit it to that process or call a convention of the states. Don’t try to sidestep those requirements just because they’re inconvenient.
Until you successfully amend the constitution to repeal the 1st amendment, leave my campaign contributions alone.
Until you successfully amend the constitution to repeal the 2nd amendment (good luck), leave my guns alone.
Until you successfully amend the constitution to repeal the 10th amendment, leave my healthcare, minimum wage & employment regulations alone.
@Phaoray
26% of Americans actively supports their state seceding from the union now (Reuters, 2016), and even higher in the south and the rockies. This is greater than the 19% of Americans who trust their government (Pew, 2015). You accuse me of living in a different reality but actually my view of distrust of the federal government is overwhelmingly mainstream, and identifying with your state first is not uncommon.
57% of Americans view the Dixie cross as a symbol of southern heritage, so again, I’m very much in the mainstream there. The majority of America (by geography) rejects leftism, so to pretend that we’re somehow united around your idea of a massive federal govt, gun control, govt control of healthcare etc is just not married to the facts.
But you’re right on one point, it’s not north vs south any more:
Vox Exercitus
Freedom of speech, I haven’t said a thing against that yet. o.O;; I haven’t said ‘this picture should be brought down’, I haven’t said ‘you should hate the Rebel flag’, I’ve said it is more often now a sign of hatred and racism from a bygone era that I am surprised people still cling to in this day and age. Harboring a grudge that is over a hundred years old…makes no sense to me. Everyone involved is dead. You don’t see anyone still whining at Germany about World War 2. It’s just a part of history that we’ve moved past, and some of the people involved in that war are still around.
Actually, your attempt to prevent people from openly supporting the candidates they want and ‘equalize’ airtime is a violation of the free speech of the supporters (as clarified by Citizens United). A multi-party system is never going to work with first past the post, and the electoral college is the only way to make sure the flyover states get any effort from politicians, so it’s unlikely to change unless you have a better idea to make sure they don’t become irrelevant.
Respectfully, your comparison with Germany is absurd. Germany attempted to expand its empire through Europe and killed millions of innocent people for their religion or skin color, and most people in Germany have long-since accepted that they were the ‘bad guys’.
In the case of the war of northern aggression, there is no cut and dry ‘good’ and ‘evil’. We haven’t ‘gotten past it’ because a) our forefathers weren’t wrong to attempt to create a southern nation, b) y’all keep trying to rewrite the history (as seen in this thread) to give us the role of the ‘bad guys’ and c) the phenomenon of a federal govt not respecting our states’ rights has not ended.
@Phaoray
You are also forgetting that America was labelled ‘The Great Experiment’, experiments have things that work, and things that don’t work in them. Hence why laws and amendments are changed and altered to fit the world we live in as opposed to us clinging to words that were relevant back then but need changes now. Guns weren’t that big of an issue in their time, they are much, much more of a problem now. Corruption was present, but not to the point it is now.
We have a process by which to amend the constitution. If you feel that you have a better idea than the founders did, submit it to that process or call a convention of the states. Don’t try to sidestep those requirements just because they’re inconvenient.
Until you successfully amend the constitution to repeal the 1st amendment, leave my campaign contributions alone.
Until you successfully amend the constitution to repeal the 2nd amendment (good luck), leave my guns alone.
Until you successfully amend the constitution to repeal the 10th amendment, leave my healthcare, minimum wage & employment regulations alone.
@Phaoray
I say you seem like you would prefer to live in another country because you keep acting like this one is divided into North and South, and maybe even East and West. Those terms don’t hold much meaning anymore since that divide was so long ago. You keep acting like the country is against you for some reason, or that it’s out to get you. The North doesn’t exist anymore, neither does the West and the East, and the only ones who seem to think it still does are ‘apparently’ some people in a few of the southern states.
26% of Americans actively supports their state seceding from the union now (Reuters, 2016), and even higher in the south and the rockies. This is greater than the 19% of Americans who trust their government (Pew, 2015). You accuse me of living in a different reality but actually my view of distrust of the federal government is overwhelmingly mainstream, and identifying with your state first is not uncommon.
57% of Americans view the Dixie cross as a symbol of southern heritage, so again, I’m very much in the mainstream there. The majority of America (by geography) rejects leftism, so to pretend that we’re somehow united around your idea of a massive federal govt, gun control, govt control of healthcare etc is just not married to the facts.
But you’re right on one point, it’s not north vs south any more:
Frosku
So what you mean is, the American public at large don’t agree with you about Walmart (certainly, don’t agree enough to boycott them) so you want to take the issue over their heads to the government to get your point of view imposed on the rest of us? This attitude is exactly what those of us who are opposed to big federal govt are opposed to. Perhaps you should show some respect for the pluralism in opinions that exist in the country instead of trying to ram yours down everyone’s throats.
We don’t want Obamacare, we have voted against it at every opportunity. You could easily have created state level programmes in left-wing states to try these ideas, and if they had worked, perhaps we would have willingly copied them. This is the beauty of the states, we have the ability to try things and to learn from each others’ successes and failures.
@Phaoray
Why are you so opposed to self-determination for minorities in America? The whole purpose of the federal system is to prevent a majority across the nation from subjucating a minority and forcing them to live by values which they do not hold. You already know where you stand if you take a cursory glance at state law in any given state which you plan to visit (which I recommend).
Your attitude is symptomatic of exactly why we need to maintain a southern identity & state identities, because it’s the only way that we can fight against creeping tyranny from people who don’t share our culture and ideas and want to take them away from us.
@Phaoray
Gun control isn’t in any amendments. The left have never tried to pass a gun control amendment because they realize it would get immediately defeated in the state legislatures. We do not, nor have we ever had, a ‘majority wins’ system. We have a system of sovereign states and a federal govt to regulate international and inter-state affairs, as defined by our founders in the founding documents.
We are not ‘America’, we are the ‘United States of America’. The reason that we have states is that we saw other large empires with divergant cultures (including the one we fought a revolutionary war against) and realized that rule from the center doesn’t work. Decisions are best made as close as possible to the people they affect. Where possible, by the individual, then by the city, then by the county, then by the state and finally by the federal govt.
@Phaoray
Amazing, we agree on somehing. I won’t comment on the fact that you’d rather have more Pulse attacks than try to regulate immigration because I think it’s ridiculous, but we agree that people should come here legally.
@Phaoray
You can kill a lot of people with a handgun, a rifle or a shotgun. As we saw last night in London, you can also mow people down with a truck. Terrible people will find ways to kill people regardless of the laws. The best thing to do is allow victims to defend themselves so that they have some chance to come out of the attack alive.
The ‘assault rifle’ narrative is nonsense. Tell me which of these weapons is an ‘assault rifle’. If you guessed either of them, you’re wrong, they’re both AR-15s. The vast majority of firearms homicides are committed with handguns, not rifles (‘assault’ or otherwise) and in fact, bludgeoning weapons and bladed weapons are used in more murders than rifles (FBI crime stats).
You will take my guns – including my Tavor bullpup ‘assault’ rifle – from my cold, dead hands.
Vox Exercitus
Unfortunately, that doesn’t work anymore. Showing your dislike of something with your wallet is no longer valid as larger corporations have removed a good deal of competition. Walmart is a good example of a place with very bad practices, but millions still go there.
So what you mean is, the American public at large don’t agree with you about Walmart (certainly, don’t agree enough to boycott them) so you want to take the issue over their heads to the government to get your point of view imposed on the rest of us? This attitude is exactly what those of us who are opposed to big federal govt are opposed to. Perhaps you should show some respect for the pluralism in opinions that exist in the country instead of trying to ram yours down everyone’s throats.
We don’t want Obamacare, we have voted against it at every opportunity. You could easily have created state level programmes in left-wing states to try these ideas, and if they had worked, perhaps we would have willingly copied them. This is the beauty of the states, we have the ability to try things and to learn from each others’ successes and failures.
@Phaoray
And yes, the federal government could legally discriminate against people, but state governments do it now. Who holds the power is less relevant than the fact that it is occurring, but at least with Federal you can get a sweeping law against it where states can right now pick and choose. Of course you can also then get the sweeping law that says discriminating is legal, but at least you know where you stand regardless of where you go in the country then.
Why are you so opposed to self-determination for minorities in America? The whole purpose of the federal system is to prevent a majority across the nation from subjucating a minority and forcing them to live by values which they do not hold. You already know where you stand if you take a cursory glance at state law in any given state which you plan to visit (which I recommend).
Your attitude is symptomatic of exactly why we need to maintain a southern identity & state identities, because it’s the only way that we can fight against creeping tyranny from people who don’t share our culture and ideas and want to take them away from us.
@Phaoray
Gun control is in the amendments, by your own logic earlier, the federal government can make laws and rules around it. Plus, you have representatives who can vote or not vote like every other state on bills. Every state has to accept when those pass, not just your own or the neighboring states around you, all of them. Your state had the chance to vote on healthcare, it had the chance to vote when people wanted to put control of any nature on guns, some passed, others didn’t, but you can’t just say “I don’t want it” with a majority wins system and not participate. That’s not how a unified country like ours works.
Gun control isn’t in any amendments. The left have never tried to pass a gun control amendment because they realize it would get immediately defeated in the state legislatures. We do not, nor have we ever had, a ‘majority wins’ system. We have a system of sovereign states and a federal govt to regulate international and inter-state affairs, as defined by our founders in the founding documents.
We are not ‘America’, we are the ‘United States of America’. The reason that we have states is that we saw other large empires with divergant cultures (including the one we fought a revolutionary war against) and realized that rule from the center doesn’t work. Decisions are best made as close as possible to the people they affect. Where possible, by the individual, then by the city, then by the county, then by the state and finally by the federal govt.
@Phaoray
I wasn’t talking about border control, I meant legal immigrants from other countries coming here to settle and live. If you are an illegal immigrant, then I do believe you shouldn’t be here. We have a system to join our country, use it!
Amazing, we agree on somehing. I won’t comment on the fact that you’d rather have more Pulse attacks than try to regulate immigration because I think it’s ridiculous, but we agree that people should come here legally.
@Phaoray
I never said I was against gun ownership, I said there should be gun CONTROL. Very different. An assault rifle isn’t home defense, and if anyone thinks it’ll help them against a SWAT team, or an actual army, their idiots. However, an assault rifle is quite easy to, say, go into a night club and kill dozens at a time with. At least with a 9mm or a shotgun people don’t get mowed down.
You can kill a lot of people with a handgun, a rifle or a shotgun. As we saw last night in London, you can also mow people down with a truck. Terrible people will find ways to kill people regardless of the laws. The best thing to do is allow victims to defend themselves so that they have some chance to come out of the attack alive.
The ‘assault rifle’ narrative is nonsense. Tell me which of these weapons is an ‘assault rifle’. If you guessed either of them, you’re wrong, they’re both AR-15s. The vast majority of firearms homicides are committed with handguns, not rifles (‘assault’ or otherwise) and in fact, bludgeoning weapons and bladed weapons are used in more murders than rifles (FBI crime stats).
You will take my guns – including my Tavor bullpup ‘assault’ rifle – from my cold, dead hands.
Frosku
No, we very much support the ideals enumerated in the Constitution & the Declaration of Independence. What we oppose is what’s happened to the nation to take it so far from those founding ideals as to be hardly recognizable. Particularly with regards to an ever-expanding federal government. Identifying with state first used to be a southern thing, but actually it’s just as prevalent in places like Montana, North/South Dakota, Utah etc. The state govt is simply more representative of our individual beliefs (and this should be true in all states really) than the federal govt.
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@Phaoray
A while back I came to the conclusion that many American citizens are, in a real sense, un-American. That is, they oppose the Enlightenment ideals enumerated in the Declaration of Independence and codified in the Constitution and its Amendments
No, we very much support the ideals enumerated in the Constitution & the Declaration of Independence. What we oppose is what’s happened to the nation to take it so far from those founding ideals as to be hardly recognizable. Particularly with regards to an ever-expanding federal government. Identifying with state first used to be a southern thing, but actually it’s just as prevalent in places like Montana, North/South Dakota, Utah etc. The state govt is simply more representative of our individual beliefs (and this should be true in all states really) than the federal govt.
Frosku
Illegals are ‘undocumented immigrants’ in the same way that drug dealers are ‘unlicensed pharmacists’. Having a problem with people breaking our laws (and moreso, a problem with the govt refusing to enforce them) isn’t the same as having a problem with immigration.
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@Tidal Charm
Dude. I live in Orlando. 15 minutes from Pulse. I’ve got no problem with immigration. The shooter was native-born anyway. (That is, if you consider Long Island part of America.)
Illegals are ‘undocumented immigrants’ in the same way that drug dealers are ‘unlicensed pharmacists’. Having a problem with people breaking our laws (and moreso, a problem with the govt refusing to enforce them) isn’t the same as having a problem with immigration.
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