Terms of Service Community Collab

Psy Key
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.

For those that don’t know, Smudge Proof and I are collaborating to make something absolutely fantastic for everyone! It’s a little piece we like to call, “Terms of Service.”
 

 
This will be a forum post for anything related to this piece, especially if you want to ask any questions.
 
We’ve added a refund clause, and made several additions to clear some issues and concerns up, as well as to better inform our supporters!
 
We invite you to partake in the “Terms of Service” commission project, a community collaboration piece open to all of Derpibooru! This will be a tongue-in-cheek, lighthearted picture celebrating the site and its users, and will be a staggering 7,200 pixels by 10,800 pixels large and will feature your OC characters drawn at 1,200 pixels width. If you choose to participate, your character will be in a queue with other characters, waiting to be accounted for at the front. Every character gets one optional accessory and one optional action that will allow them to stand out in the crowd! Here are the details of this piece:
 
Features
 
  • We can fit at least 70 characters in the piece.  
  • Reserved moderator and developer slots are available, and we encourage mods and devs to participate!  
  • As mentioned, every character gets one accessory and one action! They can even interact with each other.  
  • This piece will be of the highest quality, drawn by the famous (or infamous) Smudge Proof!  
  • This piece, once finished, will be printed on a mounted poster that will be 2’ by 3’, or 61cm by 91cm, and presented at the next Derpibooru panel at BABSCon, or Bronycon that I can attend. (And I will make all possible choices and attempts to do so.)  
  • Characters will be drawn up to 1,200 pixels high, or 4” at 300 pixels per inch at least, depending on the final number of participants.  
  • Characters will be in line to kiss mod/dev flank and put their hoof on the rule book!
     
    Rules
     
  • This is a SFW/suggestive/questionable image, so don’t ask for your OC to be drawn in anything provocative, or doing anything explicit. This includes sexual acts of any kind, items or accessories considered sexual in nature, or otherwise explicit content. To make it simple, anything you don’t want the general public to see, don’t add that to your submission. (We know that’s subjective, but please understand that this will be at a public venue. If you have any doubts, please do not hesitate to ask questions! We want to be flexible.)  
    -Please keep in mind the spirit in which this image is made. The finished project is meant to be a work of satire, and in no way aptly represents Derpibooru or its associates. Please keep this in mind when considering your contribution, as the butt of the joke may appear offensive to some.  
    -The OC must be owned by the requester, or have explicit permission to be included by the owner.  
  • OCs must be reasonable. Black and red alicorns, super death villains, and otherwise outlandish designs will probably not be accepted.  
  • Submissions must include at least one reference, preferably a picture, as well as information concerning character name, detailed information on your character, the action your character will be doing (if anything), and the accessory your character will have on (if anything).  
    -You can purchase multiple slots for unusually large creatures, such as dragons.  
  • You must state the PayPal email for invoicing.  
  • Submission time is till December 31th of 2017.
     
    Regulations
     
  • All submission information will be sent to tadpoleeagan@gmail.com and will be reviewed before being accepted. Please make sure everything you want for your character is finalized in a draft BEFORE you send it to my email. Incomplete submissions will get a return message stating what needs to be changed if you want your character in this piece.  
  • If your submission is accepted, you will be sent a money order of $50 USD. Paypal will automatically do a conversion of your currency if it’s of another kind.  
  • Money sent directly to my PayPal without the invoice system will not be accepted. Please pay the invoice I send to your PayPal email address.  
  • Refunds can only be done within the submission period. Once this time is over, no further submissions will be accepted and all money will be sent directly to Smudge Proof. At that time, he will begin drawing.  
  • Should there be more room available after 70 characters are drawn in, there will be a second submission period where refunds are not possible, as characters will be drawn in as they are accepted.  
  • Mod and Dev slots will be ‘consumed’ if they are not used within the first submission period.  
  • When all available space is used up, excluding the border space and title, submissions will no longer be accepted, as the piece will be considered finished.  
  • In the event your submission is a foal, or smaller than the average stallion or mare, you may not be able to have your character at 4” tall.  
  • After everything is said and done, including the presentation at the Derpibooru panel, the piece will be posted on Derpibooru. In the event that I cannot make it to a convention, the post will go up. This also counts if a panel isn’t going to happen. (Also, to clarify, I’m paying for the mounted poster out of pocket. None of the money spent on your character for this piece is going toward that.)
     
    Refund Clause
     
    In addition to normally getting a full refund via revoking your submission, we’ve also included a refund policy to better address the concerns surrounding this project, and eliminate the risk factors that were brought up. (Thank you, Joey! :) ) Both Smudge Proof and I are more than happy to include this full refund policy to provide better financial security and information to our supporters. Simply put; in the event that this project fails, in any way, our supports get a full refund, no exceptions. Things that’re defined to be a failure of the project are as follows:
     
  • If we get less supporters that expected. Around 30 or less.  
  • If the project is shut down, somehow, for whatever reason.
     
    In addition to that, refunds that go into this clause will be issued as quickly as possible (even if I have to miss work to make sure everyone gets theirs), and at any point in time during the project, regardless of second submission times or what have you. In short, if the project fails and you were supporting it, you will get a full refund out of my pocket.
     
    Once again, we invite the entire community of Derpibooru to participate in this event! We want a stunning piece that everyone can enjoy, and thus encourage everyone who can to be a part of something amazing!
Stoopedhooy
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab

Sad Confused Artist.
What’s the point of making a dublicate of an already running and succesful derpibooru community collab?  
Not to mention that everything will be drawn by a single person (which will affect characters’s variability in a bad way) and you charge money for it.  
I can’t help but see this as a foolish attempt at being rebellous.
 
Can you explain the whole point of it as a good manager knowing what and why he does what he does?
Psy Key
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.

@Stooped_hooy  
Answering your questions in order; the first big difference is that these two collabs will be VERY different. While the Derpibooru Community Collab is made up of different artists, artstyles, and there’s no theme to the actual piece itself, our collab piece has an overall theme. Characters will be able to interact with eachother on a basic level, and we’ve deliberately left out a specific tidbit of information that ties the entire thing together. We originally were going to have this piece have a big “DERPIBOORU” title at the top of the finished piece, which would tie into the little detail we’ve decided to leave out, but we decided to change that to the more appropriate title “Terms of Service.” It works better with the theme. While I won’t give away this specific detail (at least not here), I will say that there’s a reason the mods and devs have reserved, and limited, slots. There’s a reason it’s name is Terms of Service, and that everyone is waiting in line for something.
 
As for the single artist, I wanted to keep consistency within a single piece, especially seeing as how it’s going to be printed with the highest quality (according to a number of photo businesses). I reasoned that people’s characters would be less or more “in-shot” if multiple artists were responsible for those characters, of all different resolutions. By being done by a single artist, the artwork is consistent, the resolution and style is consistent, and there’s variation in the characters actions.
 
As for the payment, the main reason it came down to this part is because, due to the size of the piece, Smudge Proof will be TECHNICALLY making a piece of work for each character. These will be fully shaded and colored, having an accessory of choice (something you’d typically have in a line waiting to be processed), an action of choice, and you can ask to be next to another, specific character if you know they’re going to be in it as well.
 
While I can understand that some will find this to be a “we don’t like Derpibooru” piece or something like that, I can assure you this has been planned for over 2 or 3 months now, and I’ve only known about a community collab involving all of Derpibooru for a little under a month as of right now. For this piece, what I can tell you is that the accessories, actions, and even the characters people choose has significance in this piece. One thing I considered while creating the rules and regulations was asking people to consider using an OC they had when first joining or making an account on the site, but this was thrown out as it would be restrictive to users. Instead, we went for allowing any and all characters, as long as they aren’t outlandish.
 
There’s a method to all of this madness. While I will not mention what the specific detail intentionally left out is (again, at least not here), I can say that it got a little chuckle out of Nittany Discord when first told to them, and Joey specifically told me, “You’re crazy-,” and that they cannot directly endorse this piece, but will not make any attempt to stop it. In fact, while I didn’t really want to say anything because I felt like people would wonder why, I personally will be paying for Joey’s slot in it, as their character of choice will be integral.
 
As a side note, while Joey can choose any character of theirs that they want to participate, I think Dawnsong is perfect for the role and I couldn’t think of a better pony to have in this position, at least not specifically any other moderators or developers, or their characters. That being said, the other developer and mod slots are still very much open to these individuals, and each with their own personality.
Psy Key
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.

@Arcaire  
If we’re going off of track record, then I agree with you completely. However, I am not one to dwell too much on the past. At least, with such insignificant actions. I have to disagree with you completely, now, because I see no gain in any of that. I gain nothing from acting like an idiot, publicly, on this site. I ask that you give me some room to redefine myself here, instead of poisoning wells for short-term satisfaction of, “I hate this guy, let me make people hate him too.”
 
But this is not the place for ANY of that. This is about a collaboration piece. I’d like to keep it on topic. If you’re here to join in on it, then you know what to do if you’ve read the above information.
Arcaire
Ten Seconds Flat - Zero to booru hero in under 24 hours.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
A Perfectly Normal Pony - :^)
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Systems / Ops Alumni
@Arcaire
I ask that you give me some room to redefine myself here
 
Wish not granted. Every time I’m alerted to something you’re doing, it’s something that ends up making people annoyed. Tread carefully.
Joey
Dawnsong - Derpi Supporter
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Verified Pegasus - Show us your gorgeous wings!

PM me your cute OCs
The point I think Arc is trying to make is that you have a pattern of questionable behavior on the site, and now your asking people to invest money in an idea you had, but you’re not giving the full details of what it is. Those are what are known as “risk factors”.
 
On top of that, you’re selling stuff you can’t guarantee. You’re saying “at least 70 characters”, so people may buy in thinking they’ll be part of some massive crowd. But what if only five or ten people buy slots - that may upset people for not meeting that expectation. Would the project even be viable and worth doing if only five or ten people sign up? Likewise, you’re being vague on what the scene is, meaning again, you may not meet the expectations of people investing money. Those are additional risks.
 
You’re also saying you’re planning on unveiling it at a Derpibooru panel at BABSCon or BronyCon, but I can tell you right now that we have no concrete, confirmed plans on hosting panels at those cons. It is true that I’m planning on applying for panels at both, but that doesn’t mean there will be one - there may not be enough site staff available to host the panel (no one wants to listen to just me ramble for an hour), the application may not be approved, etc. Then on top of that, you’re assuming we’ll have time to present the image. When I write panels for the site, I don’t set aside fifteen minutes for “look what I commissioned” show and tell.
 
Just overall, there’s a lot of risk here. It’s right to treat this as questionable.
 
And just to be clear to everyone else - this whole thing is not endorsed or supported in any way, shape, or form by Derpibooru and/or its staff team. Likewise this is in no way related to the Derpibooru Community Collab.
Psy Key
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.

@Joey  
It’s very true that there are a few risk factors within this. However, I can clear some of these up.
 
As for details, normal people are waiting in line to kiss mod flank (unshown, I think) and put their hoof on a rule book. (but hey, you get to choose which one!) There. Secret’s out.
 
As for “at least 70 characters”, Smudge and I have mathematically determined that there’s enough room for around, or at least, 70 characters to be in the piece. What’s going to happen is we’re going to keep accepting submissions until we get to 70 (within the first submission period, assuming we get another). After this year is over, Smudge is going to actually begin drawing the piece. In the event we can fit slightly less than 70, then a few random people will get full refunds and a huge apology from us both for being mathematically stupid. If it’s determined there’s more room available for everyone, then submissions will be opened back up, we will given an estimate, and things will go 1 at a time, to prevent the chance that someone gets disappointed.
 
As for the math part. Originally, everyone was going to get their own plot of pixels 900p x 900p (a somewhat standard commission size for reference sheets, if I’ve done my research correctly.), which would be a 3” square. Accounting for borders, title, and inner size, you’re looking at a 11 x 7 character slot area, with a little wiggle room. I had the epiphany about a week ago, after looking at more crowd pieces, that characters look more natural bunched up and interacting than having a set space. Increased the height to 1,200p (4”) and account for all factors again, and we hit just over enough space for 8 rows. Since 7 characters fit before, with a few extra inches, bunching up characters would easily bring that to at least 9, meaning 72 slots APPROX. If my math is wrong as we have slightly less, then there’s a good reason I passed high school with a D+ in trigonometry. If I’m wrong and we have more, then that’s good news, but I also suck at math.
 
Addressing less or more room. If we get drastically less people than we believed would be interested, it’ll probably flop. Full refunds will be sent out to all individuals, and a full apology for our clear inaccuracy as to what the people may want. If it’s only a few, well then other factors kick in. A few less would be, like, 60 instead of 70 characters signing up. Less than that and I’d have to talk to Smudge about it. Anything less than 30, and it would probably flop, as then characters would be pretty massive. Re-scaling, of course, comes with less people signing up, but we’re not going to downscale should there be more.
 
And yeah, I didn’t actually think about HOW this would be presented. My guess is that I reasoned it would just be on display, and people could just marvel at it. (I doubt anyone wants to listen to my odd voice for anything more than 2 minutes, if that.)
 
Thank you for bringing these concerns up! I had actually not thought about a few of them, and I’m a little upset at myself for not catching these and addressing them prior. These have more than likely caused a great deal of concern for many people even slightly interested in this, and I apologize sincerely for making it seem like I wanted anyone to take a massive risk in all this. You as a consumer shouldn’t feel like we’re a Kickstarter or Gofundme. We wanted to eliminate as many risks as possible, and thus wrote everything together and brainstorming, but we missed such obvious points that I genuinely feel terrible for not catching these.
Joey
Dawnsong - Derpi Supporter
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Verified Pegasus - Show us your gorgeous wings!

PM me your cute OCs
As for details, normal people are waiting in line to kiss mod flank (unshown, I think) and put their hoof on a rule book. (but hey, you get to choose which one!) There. Secret’s out.
 
Yeah, that’s pretty much exactly how things do not actually work. To be honest, I hate when people try kissing my ass. I don’t help manage the site for any kinda attention or anything.
 
Plus we’re realists here - we’re well aware that 95% of the people on this site have never actually read the rules, which is why we rarely ban people until like the fifth offense.
 
My guess is that I reasoned it would just be on display, and people could just marvel at it.
 
No.
 
I had actually not thought about a few of them, and I’m a little upset at myself for not catching these and addressing them prior.
 
That’s kinda my point. You’re attempting to take on a large project with no experience and a less-than-strong reputation, and asking people to contribute non-insignificant sums of money in the process. Stuff like this requires lots of planning and preparation long in advanced of any kinda announcement.
Psy Key
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.

Yeah, that’s pretty much exactly how things do not actually work. To be honest, I hate when people try kissing my ass. I don’t help manage the site for any kinda attention or anything.
 
Yes, that’s why it’s satire. It can seem that way for those that don’t know anything about how the rules work or, in my case, were incredibly socially inept and were unwilling to learn and mature. Whatever way someone comes about, there’s no questioning that the rules attempt to keep things as civil as possible. I couldn’t imagine anyone taking the piece seriously, if/once it’s finished.
 
Plus we’re realists here – we’re well aware that 95% of the people on this site have never actually read the rules, which is why we rarely ban people until like the fifth offense.
 
That seems odd, but accurate. Though, I can’t say I would be that forgiving if it were me. I like to warn people, offer them a chance to learn, before punishing them.
 
No.
 
Okay, sorry. Didn’t mean to make anyone upset.
 
That’s kinda my point. You’re attempting to take on a large project with no experience and a less-than-strong reputation, and asking people to contribute non-insignificant sums of money in the process. Stuff like this requires lots of planning and preparation long in advanced of any kinda announcement.
 
I wouldn’t say “no experience”, because I would say all of this is quite competent, despite lacking a few things that needed to be clarified and added in. It just so happens that both Smudge and I missed a few things. We planned for quite a few weeks, but unfortunately, things were still missed.
cheezedoodle
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Non-Fungible Trixie -
Thread Starter - OC Tag Description Requests
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
The Magic of Friendship Grows - For helping others attend the 2020 Community Collab
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Silver Bit -

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…I couldn’t imagine anyone taking the piece seriously, if/once it’s finished.
 
>>1441270t (merged)  
There would immediately be an extra 200-post thread on /mlp/ with anons losing their minds over Derpi tyranny. (on top of the regularly-scheduled ones).
Psy Key
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.

@cheezedoodle  
/mlp/ is a bunch of loons. Do you honestly care what they think?
 
I know I go to the panels, but it’s just to shout obscenities without being kicked out. I have no idea how those people operate.
Joey
Dawnsong - Derpi Supporter
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Verified Pegasus - Show us your gorgeous wings!

PM me your cute OCs
Yes, that’s why it’s satire. It can seem that way for those that don’t know anything about how the rules work or, in my case, were incredibly socially inept and were unwilling to learn and mature. Whatever way someone comes about, there’s no questioning that the rules attempt to keep things as civil as possible. I couldn’t imagine anyone taking the piece seriously, if/once it’s finished.
 
Thing is, not everyone who’d be attending an official site panel is going to be familiar with the site and realize it’s satire. Since I host panels to help promote the site and maintain a strong relationship with our community, the last thing I want to do is give the wrong impression to someone unfamiliar with your sense of humor.
Psy Key
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.

@Joey  
You’ve got a really good point, there. Let’s say, hypothetically, that it was to be presented. I’d be willing to explain that the piece is another community-involved work of art that’s meant as satire and it doesn’t represent the site in a serious manner. 5 minutes, most, no questions taken.
 
But that’s one route. Obviously, the quicker and frankly safer route from your position is to just not have it present at the panel, regardless. And I understand that.
Stoopedhooy
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab

Sad Confused Artist.
@Silent Wing
 
Not really appropriate pic idea with asskissing. To think you have planned to not tell people of showing off their character as brown-nosers :T  
Which can be considered insulting for everyone who doesn’t really feel this way.
 
Always thought that sane people here usually just thankful for strict moderation here. Which is not really strict at all, just more responsive and faster than in most places I have seen.
Psy Key
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.

@Stooped_hooy  
Yes, but by your definition, somepony bumping into another, and their muzzle just so happens to touch that flank in any way, is sexual.
 
Regardless, no sexual acts will be in this piece, and Smudge and I stand firm on that.
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