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Description
Alternate version of an Aryanne edit made by Accu for a picture of unknown origin.
This one features the original face and was also used as OP picture for the shortlived Pixie Pony threads on /mlp/.
Don’t be rough please…
This one features the original face and was also used as OP picture for the shortlived Pixie Pony threads on /mlp/.
Don’t be rough please…
There was still a lot not covered here.
And yes it’s not real, that isn’t really relevant to the conversation, I don’t see why that needs to be pointed out.
That’s why I said I was done talking here.
And remember the first rule of art: it ain’t real.
Chill? I just wanted to know if you were still on the site is all. I am not a season 1 purist in the slightest and that analogy does not work because DHX aren’t trolls who make purposely offensive material and I’m done that’s all I wanted to say so you know what to expect on other Aryanne pics from me.
I was expecting the guy to make another ranty whine two days after like last time, but then there’s this nonsense talking about paganism, and somehow chrysalis got dragged in too. Wot eben.
As far as monsters go, the only true monster I think we’ve seen is Starlight Glimmer though Tirek comes close, but he’s more of “asshole with a lot of power” since he simply doesn’t care. But I can completely see Starlight pulling that shit if the rating was bumped to PG.
Chrysalis is really just the old ‘evil disney queen’ stereotype except not even as evil as Cinderella’s stepmother. She’s hella tamed down. Also doesn’t have someone she’s angrily jealous of.
It’s not like she’s this hellacious bitch, after all.
@Pagan
What more can you say? Responding to all the points made in the post and not ignoring anything, it’s that simple.
The thing is, you seem to be holding onto the original characterization, not really grasping that it’s changed and now another view has taken over as the “real” characterization. Much like how the real primary characters of MLP aren’t how Lauren Faust originally made them. Their names, color schemes and if I’m not mistaken races were changed by Hasbro. And there are many characters in many properties that have been developed or simply retconned into something else than what they were, this is just another change like that.
Well I’m going to bed I’ll check this thread again later.
You still there?
Okay fine but I don’t know what more I can say I have given my points already Aryanne is drawn in images with horrible things going on sometimes she is being the one who is doing said thing or she is on the receiving end you see her as a Nazi which given some pics are understandable but I think it’s the way I look at things you are not seeing I imagine myself meeting these characters IRL and I think about their original and set in stone characteristics and if I met Aryanne she would probably just be a happy pony who likes people and if people tried to hurt her she would probably cry and beg not to be hurt but everyone would just kill her anyway because swastika on butt.
The same goes for Tatzljack in that regard.
I also feel if I met Chrysalis I could probably talk her into a resolution with the ponies.
I want you to be truthful, like every other argument ever.
I didn’t say he had no say, rather that he lost control by giving up/relinquishing said control unlike Mixermike with Fluffle Puff and it became something other than what he originally intended, so the original intention isn’t accurate anymore.
Rather than thinking in terrible terms like “oh you’ll just repeat yourself”, put all that stuff aside and just respond and back stuff up, that’s the way to argue something.
What do you want me to say all you said was evil characters are entertaining (which they are) and that they are still evil and that the artist has no say over his own idea and only other people can decide what his art means, how am I supposed to respond to that? If I say your wrong you’ll just repeat it like you have the other two times and if I agree you’ll say you were always right and you wouldn’t leave knowing anything new about the issue.
“Well I’m done talking about the Nazi stuff since you keep going in circles and I have other things to do.”
No, I made points that you didn’t even bother to address and you need to.
I’ll address the rest of this post once you address the rest of that post.
Well I’m done talking about the Nazi stuff since you keep going in circles and I have other things to do.
I think a mutual alliance could happen with the changelings even more so than any other villain that got reformed in the show.
Okay now you really are being a hateful D-bag what has Tatzljack done that’s bad name one thing that justifies hating it she is maternal and protective and I have seen nothing depicting her as anything other than kind and if you say well because she eats ponies then you don’t may much attention it’s her version of a hug and always let’s them out later completely unharmed hating her for that is like hating a dog for constantly licking your face they don’t know better and it doesn’t hurt you, just because something is a monster doesn’t mean it’s inherently bad only bad deeds make something bad.
Chrysalis: I've heard that tripe before. No, it's still evil. Her doing it keep them alive just means there's no way to ever redeem them and that she should just let them die. Let's not forget how she's pretty much a literal ||rapist|| given that she brainwashed Shining to "love" her... It's still evil when monstrous creatures do it to live, hence why there's no need to ever hesitate to snuff 'em out.Tatzljack: She’s not “technically a monster”, she IS a monster! “heart of gold”, are you kidding me? This is exactly the sort of crap I was talking about, people are acting as if these horrible things can be good and now as Aryanne’s fans show us, they even extend this to stuff like Nazis! And it shows up in the oddest places too, even Warhammer 40k tries have me buy that vampires and werewolves can be the good guys (as much as one can be in a black-and-grey morality setting), when really they should be depicted as evil abominations and that’s it.It’s not judging a book by the cover. Judging a book by the cover would be like calling a guy a pedo because he looks a bit creepy. What I’m doing is more like calling a guy a pedo because I saw him molest several children and get convicted for it.
That’s one of the big differences (what the Nazis do is like the former, doing it back to them is like the latter), the other being that they do it to groups that aren’t inherently wrong/bad/evil and thus don’t deserve whereas I point it at ones that ARE inherently wrong/bad/evil and thus DO deserve it (Like Nazis, literal monsters and rapists). That’s the difference. And that’s why this “he who fights monsters” bunk needs to die forever.
Now how about the rest of my post that you didn’t respond to?
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“Paganism is usually associated with religion but the broad meaning is as I stated.”
I see, I’ll have to keep that in mind. Interesting.
Well as for Chrysalis and you don’t have to accept this yourself but she does care about her changelings she just wants to keep them fed and alive it’s no different than an animal feeding on it’s prey that doesn’t make the animal evil and from what we have seen their feeding is not fatal, this show has a lot happen off screen if you notice like tank is already back but we didn’t get to see it or the years of war between nightmare moon and celestia so it’s possible Chrysalis tried to be diplomatic towards the ponies but as we have seen ponies back then were not as accepting and shunned her witch caused her to become desperate and hateful, that’s just my theory.
Tatzljack is technically a monster but she is a monster with a heart of gold
Like you said don’t judge a book by it’s cover.
Paganism is usually associated with religion but the broad meaning is as I stated.
“You sure do know how to say just the wrong things I won’t argue about how wrong this is especially the tatzljack thing you should be able to figure out why that is so wrong. You actually kinda sound like a Nazi yourself there.”
No, you need to back that up. I kinda get what you’d say about the second (even though the main point was that you can’t judge a character by what a non-canon version does, hence the other example about JJ’s Molestia and canon Celestia) but I have no clue how the first is even close to wrong. She’s fucking evil. I can admit that villains I like (like again, Trevor from GTA V) deserve that, that’s just recognizing that they’re VILLAINS! So no, you really need to back that up.
And again with the moronic “UR JUST LIEK A NAZI!!11oneone” gibberish? There’s a bloody difference (and I’ll explain that point if you explain yours).
And nice job ignoring everything else I just said, you should’ve responded to/countered the rest too. You really just ignored the vast bulk of my argument, which is no way to handle it.
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“It was a joke”
Oh right, sorry. Couldn’t tell because it was directly after a straight-faced serious post.
“also pagan literally means doing or believing something outside of the norm.”
Really? I thought it was a specific religion/group of religions. In any case, I figure that’s what most would think of, just something to keep in mind.
“That guy was awesome you just complimented me.”
Alright, you can have that. :P
“Chrysalislover admitting that his waifu belongs in a woodchipper or a vat of acid”
“I have no love for Tatzljack because she’s a disgusting monster but I don’t hold that against the real AJ).”
You sure do know how to say just the wrong things I won’t argue about how wrong this is especially the tatzljack thing you should be able to figure out why that is so wrong. You actually kinda sound like a Nazi yourself there.
“Yeah, I read it. So? I like my 40k reaction images. I frequently find them highly fitting and amusing so I frequently use them.
If it’s because your user name suggests someone who wouldn’t be bothered about committing heresy, then you’re being a little too literal about it. That’s kind of like saying “OP can’t be a duck, only humans are capable of posting images on this site as animals lack the intellect and tool-using skills to do this!”, really makes you sound like this:”
It was a joke, also pagan literally means doing or believing something outside of the norm.
That guy was awesome you just complimented me.
“You say she should only be used as a villain but I guarantee if they did then you would just say it was proof she is a terrible pony who is evil so that doesn’t really work either.”
It depends what you mean by that. Treating a villain as being a villain? Well, yeah. Of course. The way the fandom treats villains (Queen Chrysalis/Changelings in general and Sonata Dusk/the Dazzlings in general are the worst offenders, but there are others) is pretty well fucked up. They treat evil characters as UNIRONICALLY likable and good, wanting to love them and cuddle them (among other things) when the appropriate response is to shoot, beat and burn them (among other things). Honestly I had serious worries the whole time I witnessed this, what’s happening with Aryanne is the sort of thing I actively had to hold myself from as it would be a ridiculously slippery-slope strawman, but then it happened for real…
Let me level with you, I like my fair share (well, maybe a little less than my fair share) of villains AS VILLAINS. Here’s one solid example: I really like Trevor Philips from Grand Theft Auto V. I find him to be a hilarious and entertaining character. But if someone called me on this I would totally admit that Trevor’s an evil bastard who deserves nothing more than a grizzly end. That’s the difference. The problem comes when people won’t admit that, I can’t imagine Chrysalislover admitting that his waifu belongs in a woodchipper or a vat of acid and Aryanne’s stupid fanbase regularly stand up for evil Nazis and that they shouldn’t be judged or punished for being evil Nazis. That’s when the problem starts and what triggers my crusades.
If you mean that I’d crusade against her the way I do now, not unless she got the Draco In Leather Pants treatment like Chrysalis, Sonata and various others. I might not enjoy her the way I do Trevor Philips, Dr Evil or Walter White but unless what I just mentioned happened I wouldn’t have anything more than standard-issue “villain hate” for her, just like any other evil antagonist.
“I get what you are saying but I go by the original artists creation and the reason he didn’t keep a tight grip is because the originals though satirical were not very well made and other people were drawing her way better and he just let it go it wasn’t until later people started using her as a mouthpiece and by then he was long gone.”
Yeah, so he let it go and her characterization was changed. He had a reason to not hold on tight and stop it, but that doesn’t change anything. Stephen Hillenburg had reasons he stopped working on SpongeBob but that doesn’t magically fix any bad episodes that might’ve occurred after he left.
“Feel free to hate Nazi’s I can’t fault you for that but I will continue to like this character because I keep the original at heart.”
That makes about as much sense as hating Fluttershy for being a dominatrix because there’s fanart of that (NB: This is hypothetical, I don’t know whether or not you’d hate Fluttershy for being a dominatrix if she really was one and that’s not particularly relevant) or someone hating Princess Celestia because of her actions in Johnjoseco’s Ask Princess Molestia. It’s one thing if you have different view of a non-canon version of a particular character but you can’t let that change your view of the real one (for example, I have no love for Tatzljack because she’s a disgusting monster but I don’t hold that against the real AJ).
“you have peeked my curiosity why do you hate fluffle puff she’s just a furball that makes weird noises that seems like a strange thing to hate.”
This confused me at first but I think I get what you mean now.
You misinterpreted what I meant by this: “Maybe she wouldn’t be if the original artist kept a tight grip on her and made what you’re saying stick as her characterization like what Mixermike does with Fluffle Puff (which I would still hate, more on that later)”
What I actually meant was that even if he kept a tight lid on what Aryanne is and isn’t (like Mizermike keeps a tight lid on what Fluffle Puff is and isn’t), I would still hate original flavor Aryanne because the idea is stupid and tasteless.
I actually really like Fluffle Puff. I liked her long before I stopped being a Pony-hater and she remains my favorite OC. I will admit for the sake of full disclosure that I’ve kinda lost interest in her original blog but that’s only because the Chrysipuff shipping stuff took over (both furthering the Draco In Leather Pants gibberish surrounding Bug Bitch and diverting the attention away from what I liked about the blog and the character to begin with).
@Pagan
Yeah, I read it. So? I like my 40k reaction images. I frequently find them highly fitting and amusing so I frequently use them.
If it’s because your user name suggests someone who wouldn’t be bothered about committing heresy, then you’re being a little too literal about it. That’s kind of like saying “OP can’t be a duck, only humans are capable of posting images on this site as animals lack the intellect and tool-using skills to do this!”, really makes you sound like this:
Did you even read my username.
You say she should only be used as a villain but I guarantee if they did then you would just say it was proof she is a terrible pony who is evil so that doesn’t really work either.
I get what you are saying but I go by the original artists creation and the reason he didn’t keep a tight grip is because the originals though satirical were not very well made and other people were drawing her way better and he just let it go it wasn’t until later people started using her as a mouthpiece and by then he was long gone.
Feel free to hate Nazi’s I can’t fault you for that but I will continue to like this character because I keep the original at heart.
you have peeked my curiosity why do you hate fluffle puff she’s just a furball that makes weird noises that seems like a strange thing to hate.
“Just type artist:randy into the search bar.”
No thank you, I will take you word for it though.
“Except in the original she loved everyone even jews and gays and blacks and it wasn’t dark humor it was light humor that turned the idea of Nazism into the opposite and made it about love instead of hate it made fun of the idea of Nazism as a whole.”
THAT’S THE PROBLEM! As I mentioned she’s only suitable for DARK humor and as a villain, LIGHT humor and making her a good guy is precisely what’s wrong with the character.
“Again I can’t hate this character for being a loving character but I can call OP a duck for trying to ruin her.”
Yeah, that’s right. It’s ridiculous to hate a character for being something they’re not and are in fact the opposite of. Hating Aryanne for being loving and nice to everyone is like hating Fluttershy for being cruel to animal and disrespectful of nature, or hating Twilight Sparkle for being an anti-intellectual who can’t be bothered to ever look in a book.
And it’s not “OP trying to ruin her”, it’s what she IS now. Maybe she wouldn’t be if the original artist kept a tight grip on her and made what you’re saying stick as her characterization like what Mixermike does with Fluffle Puff (which I would still hate, more on that later) but that’s not what happened and she’s not what you say she is anymore.
“If you hate Nazism then you should like Aryanne since she is the antithesis of one”
No, she IS one now. Maybe that’s not what the original artist wanted but it’s what she is now regardless. And even if all this was true, I would still hate Aryanne and the works featuring her because handling it the way you say is horribly tasteless.
Yes the Nazis should absolutely be mocked, but that’s dark humor and must be treated as such! Using it as light humor is like holding a chainsaw one-handed and using it like a table knife: You’re using it wrong, you’re treating it with the respect and care it needs and it’ll just end in disaster.
“and if an OP makes her say horrible things and you say you hate Aryanne then you just did what that person wanted you to do.”
No, they want me to like her unironically, they want me to be all like “awww, what an adorable little Nazi! :3” and treat Nazis with respect and say hating them is wrong. THEY HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR!
The only time hating Aryanne is the desired outcome is when she’s used correctly: AS A VILLAIN!
“just because the guy that made this crappy OC didn’t intend these things (which I’m not honestly convinced of) doesn’t excuse any of it.”
Just type artist:randy into the search bar.
“Aryanne actually IS the things I criticize her for being”
Except in the original she loved everyone even jews and gays and blacks and it wasn’t dark humor it was light humor that turned the idea of Nazism into the opposite and made it about love instead of hate it made fun of the idea of Nazism as a whole.
Again I can’t hate this character for being a loving character but I can call OP a duck for trying to ruin her.
If you hate Nazism then you should like Aryanne since she is the antithesis of one and if an OP makes her say horrible things and you say you hate Aryanne then you just did what that person wanted you to do.
Actually the point was that just because the original creator didn’t intend the stuff that makes something turn crap doesn’t immediately excuse it. If the new SpongeBob sucks it’s not immediately excused because Stephen Hillenburg didn’t intend the things that made it suck. Similarly just because the guy that made this crappy OC didn’t intend these things (which I’m not honestly convinced of) doesn’t excuse any of it.
“she was meant to be silly and sexy for fun”
Using her for anything but dark comedy (strictly DARK comedy) and/or as a villain is a mistake. And most of these people who use her are the type who are way too incompetent to be trusted with the first one, dark comedy is really tricky and could go wrong really easily. Anyone dippy enough to not wrap their heads around stuff like “Nazis are bad” and “there’s a difference between discriminating against innocents based on stereotypes and discriminating against legitimately bad people for the very things that make them bad people” quite likely lack the intellect and skill to handle it properly.
“You get annoying little pics of AJ saying racist stuff and what not but you don’t hate AJ you hate the OP the same applies here”
No it doesn’t. AJ isn’t actually a racist even though there are pictures of that the same way Twilight isn’t a Space Marine even there are a number of pictures like this floating around:
And the same way Rainbow Dash isn’t an anthropomorphic promiscuous bisexual rubber-fetishist BDSM-lover even though there’s an artist that keeps drawing that. And the same way Fluffle Puff is in love with Queen Chrysalis even if I commission a picture of her dropping a 10-ton weight on Bug Bitch (Yeah, it applies to OCs too!).
Aryanne actually IS the things I criticize her for being, it’s not a random fanart idea or anything like that. Saying she is these things is like saying that Pinkie enjoys parties or Fluttershy likes animals.
“Also I hate Nazi’s I get great enjoyment out of shooting them in games.”
Then you should only support Aryanne as a villain, the way I mentioned earlier.
@Pagan
That’s the best point against the “cute” Aryanne art, just stick with the RD version. It’ll be everything you want, but untainted by Nazi crap.
Nope Symbianl.